Athenians and Spartans sound bad. Is there some hipster City that had less pederasty, more rights for women, and fewer slaves in intensive occupations?
Citizens of Megara overthrowed landlords and forced them to pay rent and interest back to tenants aka "palintokia".
:mao-aggro-shining:
Corinth was notorious for hedonism and kink and had a unique and dope style of decorated pottery
Corinth was also famous for its clockwork automata, it was supposed to have a mechanical man on every corner.
Now I don't know anything about their society, but the island of Lesbos is the origin of the word lesbian so it was probably cool.
I actually made a post about my favorite Sappho poems a while back that you can check out if you want an introduction, too!
The Pleiades poem has got to be my favorite, though there's some question that she actually wrote it. I think of it often.
That one is actually my favorite too, I even have it in my "poems I like" section of my gemini capsule. It's so much fun when there's an air of mystery around authorship, too. If it wasn't her, I'd love to get my hands on other poems by whoever wrote it, but alas it's lost in the sands of time. And all we have really are fragments of hers! Crazy to dream...
Theben Defeated the Spartens with the brand New "crucked Battleline" , and the Leader was Epaminondas , gay as a Motherfucker, Afterwards they freed the Messenians and Founded "Megalopolis" and he Died on the Battlefield ... pretty Hippster if you ask me..
Rhodes was always the coolest fucking city state and that's a fact
One of my "things I would do if I had a time machine" is to get initiated into the Eleusinian Mysteries
and since you have a timemaschine ... theres no limit baby ...
Antioch, duh
Kind of unironically; if you want to get away from gross greek cultural practices, their distant colonies with syncretic traditions and lots of non-greeks oughta be the way to go.
Well if you wanna go this far also go there : https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1655268,69.4092137,1096m/data=!3m1!1e3
Cuz having a permanent slave underclass (the helots) do all the labor for you is bad
they had no private property.
They literally did: membership in the ruling warrior class was predicated on owning enough land to be able to live off the passive income alone. Their ruling class was basically a fraternal order of landlords, and even if they were semi-equal amongst themselves within that organization there was still such a drift towards the accumulation of land by major landlords that they literally had to do land redistribution multiple times just to be able to keep up the ranks of the landed military class (basically inheritance reduced the land held by any given member below the threshold for membership, and they'd sell that land to some wealthier landowner and as a result the military class lost its ranks piecemeal over the years).
I think I confused sparta with the hypothetical society from plato's republic where the warriors own no property. should keep my mouth shut on things i know nothing about.
Sparta also gets mythologized that way because there was some communality of property (but not land/capital) within the ruling class and a lot of what is said about them tends to skip over the whole "they were landlords living on the backs of slaves they repeatedly did pogroms against as a form of terrorism and control" stuff.
Not a Single Upvote ! . Chapo Chat I am Proud of you ! So I wondered howthe story ended
"In 396 CE, Sparta was sacked by Visigoths under Alaric I who sold the inhabitants into slavery" - History is a stairway joke
they are if you are 11 ....
https://player.fm/series/war-nerd-radio-subscriber-feed-2633026/radio-war-nerd-ep162-the-rise-fall-of-sparta
The Spartans did genuinely have some very interesting laws about communal eating
I mean it was a bronze age slave economy not sure why you expect that much from them
