• barrbaric [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    "We need to charge more money for healthcare!"

    "...So you can pay hospital workers more?"

    anakin-padme-3

  • FumpyAer [any, comrade/them]
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    11 months ago

    If they're comparing it to the rate of MEDICAL cost inflation, that's even more ghoulish. Medical prices are the fastest "inflating" (price gouging) sector.

  • oktherebuddy
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    11 months ago

    (after asking doctor I know about this) Basically this ad is about medicare reimbursements, aka the government program paying physicians after they take medicare patients. This can be contrasted with doctors who take patients with private insurance (read: well-off people). Sometimes doctors take patients with both private insurance & medicare, but as medicare rates have failed to keep up with the rates they can get from private insurance a lot of doctors are only taking private insurance clients. So people on medicare don't have as many choices for doctors.

    So is the framing here (that this is asking for healthcare to be more expensive) accurate? I don't think so, unless you count healthcare costs in terms of government spending. One can perhaps accuse the doctors of being greedy by going after private insurance patients instead of taking medicare rates. Another way to look at this is that it's yet another method by which the US government privileges private medical care over socialized medical care, and if you have a combined private/public medical system (which places in Canada and the UK are moving toward) it inevitably leads to a death spiral for the public system.

    Of course the ideal is a fully socialized system where all hospitals & clinics are publicly-owned.

    • LaughingLion [any, any]
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      11 months ago

      I spent over a decade doing software support for proprietary medical billing software (got laid off a few weeks ago). So I was the tech guy you called when you had a problem with our software but also 90% because you had a problem with how you billed something. I know a bit about medical billing because I needed to understand it pretty thoroughly to be able to troubleshoot issues in regards to it. What you are saying is correct but there's a lot more to it.

      Basically, Medicare has lagged behind the "market rate" in the last 20 years. Some is because of the government trying to save on costs and some is the industry trying to undermine Medicare. It's not just one thing. Another element is how our system as a whole is set up around completely made up pricing because everyone is trying to suck everyone else dry. The episode of Adam of Ruins Everything where he talks about pricing and fees being completely made up is largely true. While you can absolutely make the case that pricing has inflated over 20 years what you must realize is that whatever percentage you see on that actual inflation is just made up. We can say for sure healthcare costs have actually increased but nobody, and I mean nobody, knows by how much. Give me a number between 5 and 200 and that number could potentially be more accurate to reality as what the number was on this image. Or not. Nobody knows.

      I think the last person to blame here is doctors, however. For a lot of doctors, running a practice is not very lucrative. Well, not comparatively to other fields that require their level of education and legal responsibility. In the past 5-10 years in the particular part of the industry we serviced, I'd see practices go under regularly and that's part of the reason my company laid off people. Our customer base of independent practices is dying out. More often they get gobbled up by hospital groups who already have their own software suite that they replace us with as ours does not and can not integrate with those. Those larger groups right now love to complain about this issue but at the same time are taking advantage of the squeeze because they can afford to absorb the thin margins for Medicare and Medicaid patients while independents struggle. So while they complain from one side of their mouths while the other side is expanding. As they gobble up market share they are now going to push back on Medicare. It will either have to cut more coverage or increase payouts and most likely both will happen because the supplementary insurance industry wants to create more market share out of Medicare patients and then suck them dry like the vampires they are.

      There is a big problem with this whole scenario in that when you talk about Medicare4All to providers like doctors, especially those who have experience in independent practices, see Medicare as wholly insufficient and as it currently exists they are correct in that assessment. Most doctors know the problems enough to know they exist but aren't doing medical billing themselves to realize the underlying issues. For them Medicare pays too little and fights you too much and that leaves a real sour taste in their mouths. Now, anyone who advocates for such a thing knows that M4A means overhauling the system as well but the big players know that adding extra steps that M4A advocates need to explain to sell their platform is a big hinderance in the current soundbite driven political atmosphere we live in. Additionally, most M4A advocates don't understand enough about the actual medical billing and payment issues to really engage pushback there. I have never heard a M4A advocate talk about sequestration, takebacks, audits or anything like that. These are things people with medical practices hate with a passion because it's all headaches for them and 9 times out of 10 they go through the pain just to be justified in their billing and treatments.

  • iie [they/them, he/him]
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    11 months ago

    what? soaring healthcare costs aren't being passed to the healthcare workers? what the fuck???

    • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      Don't worry, at least the shareholder is getting a good deal.

      You invest in stonks, right poors?

    • SuperZutsuki [they/them]
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      11 months ago

      I saw a post yesterday that said 6 of the top 25 (not sure on the exact number) corporations by revenue globally were American health insurance companies. These companies are on that list despite only operating in America while every other company is multinational. The source was a list on Wikipedia, not sure what the exact wording was.

  • plinky [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    Payments is a very specific word, which tells me this is some accounting bullshit

    • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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      11 months ago

      My understanding is that Medicare has the clout to force providers to accept lower prices, that's part of what makes the program viable. They say what they're going to pay and if you want to treat any meemaws and pawpaws you have to take what they're giving you. Since the prices are so inflated anyway it doesn't really hurt anything except the size of the margins.

      • plinky [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        That true, but for example, has medicaid payments increased or not in the same timeframe? Maybe general load has dropped, thus each individual doctors may get less. You can twist data in lots of ways

      • Saeculum [he/him, comrade/them]
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        11 months ago

        As far as I understand it, doctors can chose to stop accepting Medicare patients at all, focusing on the now far more lucrative private patients. This restricts the number and quality of doctors available to people on Medicaid.