P/S I wanna place this on another community (c/electoralism) but it's like cobwebs there and I just feel I'd get more responses just by putting it under c/main

  • hauntingspectre [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Kinda says to me, at least, that metoo has reached the end of its life cycle. Explicitly being weaponized in favor of mainstream Dems now gives both leftists and mainstream Dems the ability to say any me too accusations are an op.

    Conservatives already didn't give a shit, so we can skip over them.

    And if you think that's too cynical a take, remember the power of anecdote. One story, especially for folks who already had weak support, gives them the excuse to stop pretending to care.

  • joshieecs [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago
    1. We should discipline our own, and not tolerate being disciplined by liberals
    2. If anyone felt the need to fall back, it should have been to a position of "Critical Support"
    3. We are not trying to elevate individuals, but rather advance the working class. Even if the guy was a sex pest, the best course of action would still be for him to defeat Neal, a loyal servant of capital, and then we force him to resign or replace him the next term or special election. Because it's not really about Alex Morse or any other individual, it's the entire working-class.

    Okay, I know Morse really just a lib and the orgs involved (sunrise, justice dems, etc) aren't really communists, but this should be the kind of thing the Party would deal with internally, and not yielding to liberals and capitalists to run an inquisition on anyone we put forward, or else we will forever be apologizing and hesitating.

    I don't think it has as much to do with the nature of the allegations as it does the fact so many on the left were willing to just accept the terms set by our class enemies. It could just as easily have been an accusation of campaign finance mismanagement, staff mistreatment, substance abuse, etc.

    Even if you think the guy is a pervert, the time to hash that out it not 2 weeks before the election. Just like Maduro or Evo Morales, both have had failings as leaders, but when they are facing down a US-backed coup is not the time to start litigating their failings on twitter, it's the time to support them, even if it is critical support. The stakes are ofc much lower for one congressional seat, but the dynamic isn't that different. Yet people who should know better still posting "welllllll, it's still kinda creepy" takes on twitter (looking at you Jamie Peck). This all applies to Shahid's situation, too.

    To be clear, if we do find examples of sexual abuse, or misogyny, or homophobia, or so on, we should deal with them forcefully and decisively, but in a manner that does not undermine the class struggle, and certainly not at the behest of disingenuous liberal pearl-clutching.