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Disclaimer: I am once again reminding you that this "Hardcore" is an evolution of Hardcore Techno, and is not Hardcore Punk.
Ah ok, it just clicked with me what you meant lol. You're right that "Hardcore" can mean either Hardcore Techno or Hardcore Punk. I put the disclaimer there just to try and alleviate confusion about which Hardcore I'm talking about, since both genres usually drop the Techno/Punk part of the label. I posted a Breakbeat Hardcore track here a week or so ago, and someone got confused and thought I'd mislabeled the genre when they realized it wasn't a Hardcore Punk track lmao.
I wasn't confused, I just wanted to give you a hard time, lol. Thanks for the disclaimer this week
Tbh, I kinda suspected you were trolling, though I really couldn't tell, so I just assumed you were serious. Regardless though, I'd already been expecting that someone was going to get confused by the usage of Hardcore at some point, so I figured I'd just add the disclaimer from there on out.
However :thonk:
Your feigned confusion and my attempts to avoid it from happening again has now led to some actual confusion in this thread. Naturally, my takeaway from all this is that you're an agent of chaos, and that you must be stopped before you get too powerful.
Okay, but that’s confusing cause hardcore is also hardcore punk, no one calls it hardcore punk anymore.
:ohnoes: which IS it!?
The confusion goes beyond just Hardcore Punk, 'cause there's at least 4 different genres/styles with the label of "Hardcore" which makes the term extra confusing. Hardcore Techno and Hardcore Punk have already been mentioned, but there's also Hardcore Hip-Hop (ex: Run-DMC, Public Enemy) and Digital Hardcore (fusion genre between Hardcore Techno and Hardcore Punk). When it comes to Hardcore Techno and Hardcore Punk, the fact that both genres truncate the label down to just "Hardcore" certainly isn't doing anything to alleviate the confusion, and I've even heard the same truncation applied to Hardcore Hip-Hop in at least one instance.
Also, idk about the other types of Hardcore, but just within Hardcore Techno, there's such a wide range of styles that have fallen under the label, ranging from sped up House/Techno, to early forms of Jungle and DnB, to genres like Gabber and Breakcore. It also doesn't help that the usage of the term can be very specific to a certain time and place. For example, early Jungle/DnB was only really called Hardcore from 1989-1994, only in England, and the term was being used somewhat interchangeably with terms like Jungle, DnB and Darkcore. During that same period in the early 90s, there were separate forms of 4-on-the-floor Industrial/Techno music developing in Germany and The Netherlands that were also labeled as "Hardcore" and which have gone on to become what is now the dominant modern forms of Hardcore. On top of that, in the Jungle/DnB scene there's been a bit of a revival of that 1989-1994 sound, so there's now a new wave of old dead-ish subgenres of Hardcore Techno, like Breakbeat Hardcore, Hardcore Jungle and 4-beat (aka Happy Hardcore), which are all being labeled as "Hardcore" and thus only contributing to the nebulous nature of the term.
TL:DR: Hardcore is a very confusing term, even if we narrow it down to just talking about one type of Hardcore :ohnoes:
Hardcore punk:
:sweat: HOO BOY.
After Hardcore punk got it’s feet on the ground, many of the originators in the DC area spun off to make what was refered to Emotional Hardcore, shortened to Emo. At the same time, bands were pushing the limits, this i’m less knowledgeable about, creating the basis for power violence. Also Bad Brains, they were important.
Elsewhere metal influences started to appear, and that was referred to as just Cross Over. That would influence the sound of other bands, mostly in the northeast to become Metalcore, there would also be a slowing down of songs, creating Beatdown Hardcore.
Power violence somehow got mixed back with Emo to create Emo Violence, this would be often referred to as screamo. Then to skramz for the kids who didnt like the wave of Post-Hardcore bands that got a little screamy and about as misogynist as per usual despite hardcore starting from rather revolutionary roots, being called screamo.
Meanwhile it was still being called Hardcore, all of these names are retroactive.
