Boooo stop trying to rationalize your embarrassment and guilt. Guilt is sometimes good. You should feel guilty if you enjoy American Idiot, I'm sorry comrade (plus I'd argue that this is where your enjoyment truly originates anyways- it's precisely because you had to feel guilty about it that you actually developed such a strong libidinal attachment to it). Feeling good about private consumption should not be a prerogative for our use of public reason. I like shit that's bad and that I feel guilty consuming. This doesn't mean I should work to have it inscribed in the annals of public discourse that Walking on the Sun is truly a good song nor do I need further reinforcement when it comes to my godawful taste in food - I deserve no recognition for maintaining the pallet and diversity in consumption of a perpetually stoned and broke 20 year old. I'm an unexceptional human who has good and bad tastes, but the great thing about being a communist is that you can still be critical while being unexceptional.
Bad take. Taste is subjective and you shouldn't feel guilty for having different taste. You especially shouldn't try to make strangers feel guilty for having different taste. The exception, of course, is shit with bad politics.
You can also criticize things for being low quality, and you don't need to feel guilty for liking things that aren't, like, high art. I enjoy being critical of the things that I like and other media I consume, but I don't feel an ounce of guilt about watching or reading or listening to anything that I then go "that was god, but it would've been better if x, y, and z".
But "bad politics" doesn't apply to American Idiot, which is an Iraq War protest album. It's musically good for its genre and actually helped to kick off the pop-punk wave of the mid 00s.
Honestly I actually believe they will enjoy it more if I do, that's kinda my point. It's an obvious attempt to rationalize a guilty pleasure, a public appeal to absolve the guiltiness so as to keep just the pleasure. The issue is that this avoids the traumatic fact for any moment of enjoyment - that the pleasure is itself grounded in the repression of guilt. To my mind, that OP feels insecure and seeks validation for these specific points of enjoyment is merely evidence that they should hold on to that feeling whenever listening, lest they want to be incessantly confronted face to face with the subjective void of aesthetic judgement when trying to affirm their own position. I was just stoned and wanted to be an annoying little psychoanalytic shit. Y'all don't appreciate the importance of negativity enough, it's not like my dissing Green Day is traumatic
Also I would like to say "that was good, but it would better if x,y,z" is not really a critical position. A critical position is more like, "I can see they tried to do/say/represent X but they actually ended up doing Y and saying Z".
Also I will never like 00s pop punk and will continue to hopelessly struggle against it, citing the relativity of subjective music tastes will do little to dissuade me!
Boooo stop trying to rationalize your embarrassment and guilt. Guilt is sometimes good. You should feel guilty if you enjoy American Idiot, I'm sorry comrade (plus I'd argue that this is where your enjoyment truly originates anyways- it's precisely because you had to feel guilty about it that you actually developed such a strong libidinal attachment to it). Feeling good about private consumption should not be a prerogative for our use of public reason. I like shit that's bad and that I feel guilty consuming. This doesn't mean I should work to have it inscribed in the annals of public discourse that Walking on the Sun is truly a good song nor do I need further reinforcement when it comes to my godawful taste in food - I deserve no recognition for maintaining the pallet and diversity in consumption of a perpetually stoned and broke 20 year old. I'm an unexceptional human who has good and bad tastes, but the great thing about being a communist is that you can still be critical while being unexceptional.
Bad take. Taste is subjective and you shouldn't feel guilty for having different taste. You especially shouldn't try to make strangers feel guilty for having different taste. The exception, of course, is shit with bad politics.
You can also criticize things for being low quality, and you don't need to feel guilty for liking things that aren't, like, high art. I enjoy being critical of the things that I like and other media I consume, but I don't feel an ounce of guilt about watching or reading or listening to anything that I then go "that was god, but it would've been better if x, y, and z".
But "bad politics" doesn't apply to American Idiot, which is an Iraq War protest album. It's musically good for its genre and actually helped to kick off the pop-punk wave of the mid 00s.
Why do you want OP to feel guilty for liking it?
Honestly I actually believe they will enjoy it more if I do, that's kinda my point. It's an obvious attempt to rationalize a guilty pleasure, a public appeal to absolve the guiltiness so as to keep just the pleasure. The issue is that this avoids the traumatic fact for any moment of enjoyment - that the pleasure is itself grounded in the repression of guilt. To my mind, that OP feels insecure and seeks validation for these specific points of enjoyment is merely evidence that they should hold on to that feeling whenever listening, lest they want to be incessantly confronted face to face with the subjective void of aesthetic judgement when trying to affirm their own position. I was just stoned and wanted to be an annoying little psychoanalytic shit. Y'all don't appreciate the importance of negativity enough, it's not like my dissing Green Day is traumatic
Also I would like to say "that was good, but it would better if x,y,z" is not really a critical position. A critical position is more like, "I can see they tried to do/say/represent X but they actually ended up doing Y and saying Z".
Also I will never like 00s pop punk and will continue to hopelessly struggle against it, citing the relativity of subjective music tastes will do little to dissuade me!
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