Ah, don’t do communist revolution in agrarian society? Well, and forced relocations unequivocally bad.
I think main thing leftists (we) should consider very carefully is purges/cultural revolution, because obviously the scale was completely out of proportion to the number of saboteurs, so some external accountability is very much preferable to killing, with something close to Soviet (council) structure being judges of good job/bad job of particular party functionary (or just anarcho-communes, whatever)
I suppose, but even the ugliest relocations and purges were responses to the presence of actual capitalist threats, or so it seems to me. I don't know anything about the cultural revolution. I only have my impressions of Soviet history.
I saw a Bald and Bankrupt episode from a Buddhist republic (pretty far west) that experienced mass deportations, allegedly because of fascist collaboration. The idea that there were collaborators in these communities was presented as absurd, but I couldn't help but notice that no one confesses to fascism, yet all the fascists came from somewhere.
Well, being from russia I have somewhat more varied sources, I think I looked up last week tatar deportation from crimea, something like 20k were collaborating (including giving shelter, which considering family ties is not that implicating) 5k likely directly involved in military activities, 200k relocated - seems completely disproportionate.
It’s solving big issue by ethno judgment, of course it was war and blah blah, still could have been done miles better (especially travel conditions and return honestly, even doing same shit).
As for purges, meh, I think there were a lot of opportunistic purge of inconvenient critics (not only for stalin, for local parties as well), numbers don’t make sense otherwise and stories as well.
Ah, don’t do communist revolution in agrarian society? Well, and forced relocations unequivocally bad.
I think main thing leftists (we) should consider very carefully is purges/cultural revolution, because obviously the scale was completely out of proportion to the number of saboteurs, so some external accountability is very much preferable to killing, with something close to Soviet (council) structure being judges of good job/bad job of particular party functionary (or just anarcho-communes, whatever)
I suppose, but even the ugliest relocations and purges were responses to the presence of actual capitalist threats, or so it seems to me. I don't know anything about the cultural revolution. I only have my impressions of Soviet history.
I saw a Bald and Bankrupt episode from a Buddhist republic (pretty far west) that experienced mass deportations, allegedly because of fascist collaboration. The idea that there were collaborators in these communities was presented as absurd, but I couldn't help but notice that no one confesses to fascism, yet all the fascists came from somewhere.
Well, being from russia I have somewhat more varied sources, I think I looked up last week tatar deportation from crimea, something like 20k were collaborating (including giving shelter, which considering family ties is not that implicating) 5k likely directly involved in military activities, 200k relocated - seems completely disproportionate.
It’s solving big issue by ethno judgment, of course it was war and blah blah, still could have been done miles better (especially travel conditions and return honestly, even doing same shit).
As for purges, meh, I think there were a lot of opportunistic purge of inconvenient critics (not only for stalin, for local parties as well), numbers don’t make sense otherwise and stories as well.
Fair. You have to decide how far to take the "it was war and blah blah blah" argument.