Also, the reason the bourgeoisie produce luxury goods and weapons is because if they only produced necessities, the price of necessities would fall from an oversupply, and everyone would get the stuff they need for relatively cheap. Can't have that! Need an entire sector of the economy dedicated to producing overpriced garbage and killing machines. Oh, but the problem never starts at production. It's always blamed on consumers being stupid.
"If just everything was different it wouldn't have to be like this"
You're just saying nothing and for some reason defending the proles that think the immigrant is the problem and vote further right than your traditional conservative because they front some madman saying the immigrant bad.
Even Lenin and Trotsky said the proles were removed.
"If just everything was different it wouldn't have to be like this"
No that's what you were doing when you were whining about the dirty proles buying too many luxury goods (when they spend most of their income on necessities). The conspicuous consumption of luxury goods is mostly done by petit-bourgeoisie and bourgeoisie living in the imperial core. It's Kylie Jenner burning through 55,000 gallons of Jet Fuel on 2 minute flights, not the janitor.
You're just saying nothing
You literally have no response. I actually quoted your points and deconstructed them. You're dismissing mine because you are the one who in fact has nothing to say.
and for some reason defending the proles that think the immigrant is the problem and vote further right than your traditional conservative because they front some madman saying the immigrant bad.
Reactionary proletarians exist because of false consciousness and conservative indoctrination emanating from capitalist control over the media. You want me to blame the brainwashed and not the brainwashers. You want me to be a classist liberal seething about the voting habits of unwashed "hicks" and not looking at the actual material conditions of the working class.
Also immigrants are proletarians too. Ethnic minorities and LGBTQIA are proletarians too. Proletarian is not a term reserved for anti-immigrant white supremacists, who skew petit-bourgeois anyway. I refuse to envision millions of nurses, janitors, teachers, factory workers, farm workers, cashiers, waiters, cooks, etc. as a bunch of MAGA goons seething about nonwhites coming into their country. That's not what the majority of the proletariat is. You're describing the political ideology of the white supremacist and settler colonist and pretending that is what proletarians are. Your vision is limited not only by living in the imperial core (first world) but also by a singular obsession with politics as it exists in Amerikkka and nowhere else.
Also immigrants are both used and scapegoated by the ruling class. The imperial core through economic and military policy upends the quality of life in developing nations, incentivizing the people living there to move to the imperial core where wages are higher. Why are wages higher in the imperial core? Imperialism. What happens when the labor market of the imperial core is flooded with immigrants. Wages drop. This means capitalists in the imperial core can get away with paying workers less. Then they blast us with propaganda to blame the immigrant instead of them. so they create the root cause for immigration in the first place, and then once the immigrants show up they use them as political scapegoats and sources of cheap labor. They blast us 24/7 with that kind of propaganda, and some people fall for it. But not the majority of the working class, who you clearly look down on, and which includes the immigrants themselves.
Even Lenin and Trotsky said the proles were removed.
source?
if they said anything close to what you are saying, I'm sure it's in a massively different context than you're implying. they were probably describing the ignorance of the proletariat the results from them BEING DELIBERATELY DEPRIVED OF EDUCATION BY THE RULING CLASS.
"If just everything was different it wouldn't have to be like this"
You're just saying nothing and for some reason defending the proles that think the immigrant is the problem and vote further right than your traditional conservative because they front some madman saying the immigrant bad.
Even Lenin and Trotsky said the proles were removed.
No that's what you were doing when you were whining about the dirty proles buying too many luxury goods (when they spend most of their income on necessities). The conspicuous consumption of luxury goods is mostly done by petit-bourgeoisie and bourgeoisie living in the imperial core. It's Kylie Jenner burning through 55,000 gallons of Jet Fuel on 2 minute flights, not the janitor.
You literally have no response. I actually quoted your points and deconstructed them. You're dismissing mine because you are the one who in fact has nothing to say.
Reactionary proletarians exist because of false consciousness and conservative indoctrination emanating from capitalist control over the media. You want me to blame the brainwashed and not the brainwashers. You want me to be a classist liberal seething about the voting habits of unwashed "hicks" and not looking at the actual material conditions of the working class.
Also immigrants are proletarians too. Ethnic minorities and LGBTQIA are proletarians too. Proletarian is not a term reserved for anti-immigrant white supremacists, who skew petit-bourgeois anyway. I refuse to envision millions of nurses, janitors, teachers, factory workers, farm workers, cashiers, waiters, cooks, etc. as a bunch of MAGA goons seething about nonwhites coming into their country. That's not what the majority of the proletariat is. You're describing the political ideology of the white supremacist and settler colonist and pretending that is what proletarians are. Your vision is limited not only by living in the imperial core (first world) but also by a singular obsession with politics as it exists in Amerikkka and nowhere else.
Also immigrants are both used and scapegoated by the ruling class. The imperial core through economic and military policy upends the quality of life in developing nations, incentivizing the people living there to move to the imperial core where wages are higher. Why are wages higher in the imperial core? Imperialism. What happens when the labor market of the imperial core is flooded with immigrants. Wages drop. This means capitalists in the imperial core can get away with paying workers less. Then they blast us with propaganda to blame the immigrant instead of them. so they create the root cause for immigration in the first place, and then once the immigrants show up they use them as political scapegoats and sources of cheap labor. They blast us 24/7 with that kind of propaganda, and some people fall for it. But not the majority of the working class, who you clearly look down on, and which includes the immigrants themselves.
source?
if they said anything close to what you are saying, I'm sure it's in a massively different context than you're implying. they were probably describing the ignorance of the proletariat the results from them BEING DELIBERATELY DEPRIVED OF EDUCATION BY THE RULING CLASS.