https://nitter.net/EarlOfThePseud/status/1730756391290167577
For context, Earl is a very recently converted leftcom.
I don't care for discourse over whether nations deeply isolated and oppressed by imperialism like the DPRK and Cuba are truly socialist or not. Judgement should be suspended until the boot is off their neck. Even if they weren't that oppressed by imperialism, it's still icky. Working class people living in the imperial core ought to focus more on overthrowing their own bourgeois governments. What use is an American's criticism of China, for example? You're just joining a chorus of bloodthirsty bourgeois voices, even if your criticism is of a different variety and intention, and coming from the opposite direction politically.
Yeah completly agreed. And so much of discourse on left twitter is people living in imperial core countries yelling at each other about whether or not these countries are socialist or not.
For context, Earl is a very recently converted leftcom.
There's nothing more fun than quoting Bordiga at leftcoms who sling shit as AES and then asking them to account for it:
Therefore, June 10 (the date of Mussolini's declaration of war) was for me what you call a great day. But now that Hitler has grown soft, I begin to lose the trust I had placed in the Axis to strangle and pull down the so-called British colossus.
The great and authentic revolutionaries of the world are two: Mussolini and Hitler. But Mussolini's past shows that Il Duce has always been against the plutocracy and against the democracies, which paralyze the life of nations.
Anti-fascism is the worst product of fascism.
— Bordiga
Gramsci rots in prison in the final years of his life as he furiously writes whatever he can to smuggle past his jailers in one way or another. Meanwhile Bordiga ceases all political activity and refuses to talk about politics in any capacity except to lavish praise on fascism.
What a guy! Truly the world knows no revolution but the revolution led by Bordiga!!
Some say Bordiga ascended beyond his human form and became an actual living armchair.
Yeah but with all their lack of dialectics, they are taking that quote in and immediately point haha gotcha about modern antiimperialism to them being the same thing as supporting nazis to own the Brits, then start their litany about redfash, Putler, Kimmussolini, dengism etc. Seen that few times already.
That he doesnt see either country as socialist which is a common leftcom view
I dont understand the relevance of Mussolini's Italy at all though?
I believe the relevance is that Korea is a Peoples Republic and Mussolini's Italy a Social Republic, which are both terms that means a socialist state and both are lying (at least that what i remember from a leftcom arguing the same thing)
Also Leftcoms from the bordiga faction like to compare bad things a lot to mussolini's italy since that was the country bordiga critized most.
Mussolini was nominally a socialist in his early years, so even though he left that political program behind and radically repressed leftists and liberals of all shades when he was actually in power some people insist that he was a socialist then, too. It's on the same level as claiming that the Nazis were socialist because it was in their name.
I think it's a more substantial criticism with Mussolini. While he went fash (obviously lol), he was able to take a ton of trade-unions and self-labeled socialists with him (something Bordiga focused on criticizing, naturally).
I think there is a danger of a squishy socialist/SocDem to social fash pipeline and you can often see it in the imperial core like with "socialists" that work for weapons manufacturers or CIA-adjacent NGOs. A particularly pernicious one is weapons company unions, where you get to witness a ton of nascently class conscious people hold their tongues when it might damage the precious local (warmonger) union jobs.
Uh acktually North Korea isn't part of AES because AES is the l'Alliance des États du Sahel and North Korea is not in Africa.
