(Forgive me if this isn't the right community for this.)

So, yeah, my gf and I are presently having strained conversations with each other because we have differences of opinion over the Holodomor. I'm not denying the Ukrainian famine happened nor the number of deaths involved. We can set aside the historiography and the Kulak memes, but at the end of the day, I'm a monster because I'm somehow denying justice to the survivors because they call their experience a genocide and I'm more hesitant to do so. It's less about "who's right" or "what really happened" but more about the larger implications that come from genocide denial: she says if survivors say they experienced a genocide, it's important to acknowledge that. She's very uncomfortable that my sympathy to their suffering isn't enough. I'm somehow suggesting the survivors are bad faith actors or dupes (I don't think that's what I'm doing), and because the waters are so muddy on this issue (her words), I ought to consider the other side of the debate instead of reading the preface to Davies and Wheatcroft's The Years of Hunger (which she doesn't want to read).

I feel like even if I were to say "I admit there's a possibility the Holodomor was a genocide," I'd still find myself in the doghouse. This is an impasse we're going to have to navigate before our relationship can return to normal. While we're not big on labels, I'd say I lean more toward ML and she's more anarchist. Maybe that's part of our disagreement? No idea. I'm completely vexed and don't know how to move forward.

I can't imagine anyone's been in this exact position before, but maybe something similar? I wish I could compartmentalize it and move on, but I don't think she can. Any advice, comrades? How can I do justice to the famine survivors while not calling said famine a genocide?

  • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    I just call it the 1932 famine, since even calling it the Holodomor is giving rhetorical ground to the Ukranian Nazi collaborators who named it that specifically to evoke comparisons to the Holocaust they'd just helped do.

    • SteamedHamberder [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      A little correction to your timeline: The (capital H) Holocaust refers to the Nazi genocide that began in 1939 and only reached Ukraine in 1941.
      Ukrainian Nationalist "Greens" and Pro-Tsarist "Whites" committed widespread murders and pogroms against Jews and suspected Communists, this was during the years of the Soviet revolution around 1919-1922, before the 1932 famine.

      • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Lol they literally could not even wait

        I appreciate the info, I'm often prickly about being called out for being wrong but this is just too...well "funny" isn't the word, but you know.