Sorry everyone. One of those ships of theirs would probably be able to take over the planet on its own. Supposedly these ships have been observed disabling nuclear missile silos. If they were communists, they would probably want to liberate us. They would likewise be able to do so right this moment. But they don't. Therefore, they aren't communists. Facts and logic :expert-shapiro:

How could a non-communist society send ships to other solar systems? It's possible. Something like Breakthrough Starshot could conceivably happen before a communist revolution on Earth. The USA, a fascist dictatorship, sent people to the moon.

If the UFOs are real, I think that they're some kind of automated probe(s) which were actually sent here hundreds if not thousands of years ago. (The earliest recorded UFO sighting was in 1440 BC.) As mentioned on the most recent episode of Guerilla History, UFOs might have been triggered or made more active somehow by the first detonation of an atomic bomb.

The civilization which built them might not even exist anymore, but their technology is evidently still way ahead of ours, which means it could be quite some time before we ever figure out what these UFOs actually are.

Something is definitely going on, though, whatever the fuck it is. The podcast mentions a guy I had never heard of named Ron Westrum. He gave a talk here mentioning how alien abductions probably aren't all in people's heads, since they sometimes happen to multiple people at the same time or are observed by others who are not abducted.

All of this generally shows that in spite of what people tell you, nobody really knows what the fuck is going on.

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    there are plenty of ways to know. it isn't hard. the reason we had problems in the past is because we didn't have the basic grasp of science and where mostly looking for new mineral rights claims.

    Give me a hypothetical FALSC society and put them in L1 orbit and they could safely and reliably advance our society without issue, and would be ethically required to do so. It wouldn't be terribly difficult either. Like, yeah, our politicians would be upset. But if we could visit the space embassy for advanced medical treatment, get some science and philosophy and like cool space tattoos, in like two generations who would want to fuck around working at the coolaid brand corporate office anymore you know?

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      I don't think that's true when dealing with literal alien species. It's perfectly possible that the kinds of pattern recognition based biology we have might manifest different political issues if, for example, we were completely different biologically.

      This obviously sounds a little like a race argument but while that sounds ridiculous when talking about different human beings with different skin colours I think it's quite applicable to literal aliens. They might be completely passive and entirely non-violent like some species of apes. They might be gestalt. They might have strange parasitic relationships with another species on their planet. They might be all kinds of different weirdnesses.

      Then there's the entire concept of morals to debate in the first place. They may develop completely different concepts of morality to us.

      They might simply be so far above us that we're more like a zoo animal compared to them. Do we intervene in nature where animals kill other animals to stop that suffering? No. Would we consider it? No probably not. We film the fights between animals and stick it on TV with David Attenborough commentary over the time. Why would they do differently if they saw us that way?

      • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        They might simply be so far above us that we’re more like a zoo animal compared to them

        Or not that far above us but still think of us that way

        • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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          we take care of zoo animals, and do our best at conservation in the wild. We suck at it, but we are trying. if a deer was being attacked by a mountain lion and we could easily stop it we probably wouldn't. However, if the deer looked at us and said, hey bro this sucks could you help me out here, we probably would. We have people alive today who are fans of pan species communisms. For granting apes and dolphins limited legal rights as intelligent beings. Such a thing would make sense on the larger scale.

          • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I like the indigenous Marxist perspective that capitalism objectifies and exploits all animates, including the land, the animals, the people, and that genuine liberation means liberation for all animates, not just people.

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I think that maybe not as much variation as we'd like to see is possible. Obviously things like outdoor cats and lawns would spin differently.

        They would still have issues around reproductive rights. At some point in a species development it is going to make sense based on resources to control populations. if they Are a R type reproducer instead of our K type reproduction model it would be different. however, for any given K type species we can expect them to have gone though issues similar to ours. It would be better for the group to have more units, but it is costly to the individual to produce more units. So at some point birth control would be invented. Then a faction would want cheap labor and try to fight against it. What I am saying here is that dialectical materialism is the riddle of history solved, even sci-fi histories.