slowly walking towards the sign waving "anti-imperialist" DSA, checking for kneejerk reptilian brain reactions 👁️

  • Malspoken [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Wait why wouldn't they have a reaction? Of course they would be angry at the call of being called imperialist. They probably would think you're CIA trying to make them look bad lmao. Maybe instead of wasting time trolling you should actually organize with them to move them left.

    • ComradeBongwater [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah holy shit, don't do intel's job for them. Most leftists are somewhere in the process of deprogramming, don't discourage them from doing so by being an asshole.

  • ComradeBongwater [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    It's not a good rule of thumb because most people are misinformed in about a million different ways. Partially deprogrammed people are not CIA sleeper agents, jesus.

    Also I'd assume intelligence assets know enough to pretend to be pro-DPRK to the right people.

    The only thing a person's reaction to juche is useful for is whether they have a decent understanding of imperialism and capitalist propaganda. Nothing more.

    • Kanna [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      It's true. I said something positive about the DPRK to someone a few days ago and got a side eye from someone who is also a leftist

      • ComradeBongwater [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Not surprising if that person is an anarchist or demsoc.

        Even as an ML, the DPRK is still challenging to defend because:

        • DPRK never had the absurdly fast economic growth like the USSR & PRC did
        • fear mongering about nuclear weapons
        • chain of succession looks suspiciously like a monarchy
        • extremely thick propaganda surrounding them, even when compared to other socialist states
        • lack of trustworthy sources of information on their internal affairs

        It makes perfect sense to me why the DPRK would be the last socialist state a Marxist would come around to during their deprogramming.

        What did you say about the DPRK that got you the side eye?

        • Kanna [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          I just mentioned that they're not as bad as western media says lol. Actually, I've been wanting to read more about the DPRK or even watch a good video but I'm not sure where to find trustworthy sources. Do you have any suggestions?

  • BigAssBlueBug [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    My thoughts on the cool korea: none, because it's a country across the globe where I have no effect on

  • ImSoOCD [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Ngl I don’t know much about juche or about the conditions in the DPRK. Something about a nation self-isolating and building internally. Ironically, one of my first anti-imperialist lightbulb moments came from The Interview where Kim Jong-Un asks Dave about how US sanctions have impacted the conditions in the country. It was really weird because they never addressed it. I think it was supposed to be a “Kim says something that throws Dave off” and they just happened to hit the nail on the head. Either way, it never went answered and that stuck with me

    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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      3 years ago

      It’s really hard to know anything about the dprk definitively given the isolation both self-imposed and imposed by the imperial countries.

      What we do know is the USA slaughtered like a ridiculous amount of their people and have made it brutally difficult for them to trade. They run trains and other tech from the 80s bc that was the last time they were able to get stuff in from trade and they basically are just trying to repair and upkeep that stuff as much as possible.

      If you’re specifically interested in the concepts of juche Il-sungs books are around I’m sure

      I always think it’s pretty remarkable that countries like dprk and Cuba have managed to do relatively well under some of the most extreme political oppression that exists.

      • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        It’s really hard to know anything about the dprk definitively given the isolation

        What isolation? People from there travel all the time. If you're in the US, you could have visited for yourself up until Otto Warmbier died, and if you're outside the US you could have visited up until covid. There are numerous videos online from people in the DPRK, both of official events/festivals/concerts and of average everyday shopping. There are people from the DPRK living in various places and many of them are not your average "defector" grifters.

        The narrative that "we just can't know anything :(" is so completely incorrect. It's a regular fucking country and we know that for sure.

        • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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          3 years ago

          I just meant most of the info you’ll see in the imperial core is heavily skewed propaganda. I mean look at Cuba rn there right next door and speak a language widely spoken in the us and there’s still a ton of misinformation about them in mainstream discourse.

          And isolated more in terms economics and sanctions.