the Anti-doomer crusade some people have been on since before the subreddit feels pretty alienating, ngl. Like, for real, feel free to disagree with any doomer, but it becomes a crusade when your reaction is to forbid doomers and shutdown doomer threads. I remember one especially delusional episode on the old subreddit when Bernie ate shit.

I feel some people are using Doomer to mean a defeatist who is telling everyone to give up and wallowing in pity, i.e., When really it's just having a prediction of the future that is worse than is popularly imagined, particularly involving climate change and political violence. Some people call this pessimism, but again, I'd appreciate if you didn't reduce a rational and justified perspective with a pathological tendency.

I'd like actually if someone could look up how many times is a Doomer being obnoxious and telling everyone to give up, vs a doomer just frankly discussing likely futures and the perspectives and priorities these entail, and getting told to shut up and be more optimistic. You can be a doomer and still be putting the work. I'm a full member of a ML party, I'm on the streets at actions, I've taken the China-pill, and I have a 4.00 GPA this semester with 19 hours of classes, I'm studying to be an Engineer with a Minor in Chinese so I can assist the scientific and social development of China, and I'd appreciate it if after all of that I can come on here and not get pathologized by people who think talking about Collapse is Bad Vibes.

In full self awareness: :jesse-wtf:

  • NewAccountWhoDis [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Sometimes doomerism is kinda just a response to a lot of the overly optimistic shit people put out too. Like my mother who thinks that we'll just "solve" climate change like we did with the Ozone and there's never going to be any greater issues and problems that stem from this even though those issues are occurring right now!!!

    There's a lot of people out there who really seem to think that there's just guaranteed future is going to be better no matter what happens and it's going to be just like how their parents were and they're going to have like the most amazing jobs and never worry about any resources and it's just like I mean maybe but you also have to be realistic. We need a sustainable future of public transport, reduced waste, less energy consumption and pollution with smart carbon capture programs and ideas that help to weather the impact of the changing climate, not bright eyed optimism. There's a good middle ground somewhere between full bloomer and full doomer to be found.