• Awoo [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I think there's a case to be made that they are creating their own material conditions.

    You don't actually need to create the material conditions to make your movement boom. What you need is to make people believe those material conditions exist. By doing that, you create your reaction and you create growth in your reactionary movement.

    I argue this is what gamergate and countless others online have fed off of. They have created their own material conditions by manufacturing things to be absurdly outraged about and by driving members of their spaces into the headspace that is usually created by having the correct material conditions.

    It is as if those material conditions exist, and therefore the outcome is the same.

    And I argue the left is just as capable of using this same mechanism but we are woefully behind on understanding this concept.

    • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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      3 years ago

      The material conditions are that people, especially young men due to shifts in the economy towards more stereotypically "female" jobs, are increasingly alienated from society in general and have nothing to live for besides video games/porn/cartoons.

      It's really easy to radicalize people who have that mindset by telling them that "The Left", or anything other group, is going to take away the only thing that gives their lives meaning.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Partly I agree. However, things like the great replacement are literally intended to make people believe material conditions are different to what they actually are in reality.

        I don't think this can all be put down to some people being alienated. Many of these people are petty-bourgeoise and extremely comfortable economically. Contrary to popular belief many of the people in Gamergate are sadly the kind of people that are getting laid, I am willing to bet there's a strong crossover in that crowd with the abusive pickupartist crowd that was equally popular at that moment in time.

        I strongly believe there's a case to be made for false-material-conditions to be a thing in the same way false consciousness is a thing. If you can make people believe their situation is precarious and that they are being threatened by something then you are creating the material conditions that exist in their mind. It's like manufacturing consent, except it's manufactured conditions.

        • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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          3 years ago

          In some cases, it's a matter of perspective. If you're one of those comfortable, but downwardly mobile petit-boug, the "great replacement" is exaggerated, but it is material reality for people in that situation. That doesn't mean we should listen to them (they should be completely gutted/GULAGed like the Kulaks), but just saying "they're delusional/lost" makes it harder to oppose them.

        • mittens [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The petite bourgeoisie is the one that will rapidly move towards reaction as soon as material conditions start to press on them. I think they are comfortable but I also think they're in constant danger of being proletarized, which is what they most fear

    • comi [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Nah you need them, they are a fertile soil for anything. Material conditions are global recession/lack of housing/weird job prospects in that case, just as they were for occupy, so they were for gamer bros