They're going for "being against imperialist wars in the middle east is exactly like the America First movement wanting to stay out of WW2". The argument has been around since before the Iraq war
Since the 1800s! The British always used to talk up how backwards and autocratic the people they colonized were as a justification for invasion and occupation. "Saving brown women from brown men" has been the liberal justification for imperialism for centuries.
Even on the bad faith "you're anti war? Well what about the nazis?" level, there were pacifists who weren't fascists during WWII. Bertrand Russell comes to mind.
Edit: My mistake, Bertrand Russell was a lifelong pacifist, including during WWI, but supported war against Hitler. Which, IMO, makes the point even stronger. One can be against war even when it is an existential threat, and still not against war when the threat is a serious as fascism.
Ah yes, the famous anti-war Nazi caucus.
They're going for "being against imperialist wars in the middle east is exactly like the America First movement wanting to stay out of WW2". The argument has been around since before the Iraq war
Since the 1800s! The British always used to talk up how backwards and autocratic the people they colonized were as a justification for invasion and occupation. "Saving brown women from brown men" has been the liberal justification for imperialism for centuries.
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Even on the bad faith "you're anti war? Well what about the nazis?" level, there were pacifists who weren't fascists during WWII. Bertrand Russell comes to mind.
Edit: My mistake, Bertrand Russell was a lifelong pacifist, including during WWI, but supported war against Hitler. Which, IMO, makes the point even stronger. One can be against war even when it is an existential threat, and still not against war when the threat is a serious as fascism.
Unironically hear folks on /r/neoliberal whine about how every call to peace is just a repeat of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.
This country is absolutely begging for a WW3. We yearn for it down to our bones.