I've seen it. He isn't wrong and Odo was definitely let off the hook too easy for participating in the occupation. Damar and Garak never seem to get those criticisms and tend to be seen as fully redeemed by the end despite being objectively worse people by a wide wide margin. Odo is also basically a really smart baby which seems to be forgotten, he doesn't really get how society in general works for a good while. A lot of the shittier things he did was more motivated by coercion and naivete. I don't really see the value in needing to categorize every fictional character as either 'bad' or 'good' based on audience moral judgment. You don't have to like Odo as a person because he isn't real, as a character he's rich, well written and supremely acted.
Also Renegade Cut's Voyager video is awful. Basically says it was a great show cause it had untapped potential and cause Kate Mulgrew was a woman. If you don't tap that potential then it isn't good.
Agreed, a mediocre show with a lot of potential is still a mediocre show. I can enjoy Voyager by watching an episode and muttering, "Imagine if they'd done THIS...", but I wouldn't recommend the show to anyone based on that. If anything, the great production quality, big budget, and (mostly) competent cast made the utter lack of imagination from the writers & producers that much more frustrating.
What's funny is that, thanks to TNG, my young self was so used to seeing POC's and women in positions of authority, that having a black/female lead in DS9/Voyager didn't feel like a huge leap.
I've seen it. He isn't wrong and Odo was definitely let off the hook too easy for participating in the occupation. Damar and Garak never seem to get those criticisms and tend to be seen as fully redeemed by the end despite being objectively worse people by a wide wide margin. Odo is also basically a really smart baby which seems to be forgotten, he doesn't really get how society in general works for a good while. A lot of the shittier things he did was more motivated by coercion and naivete. I don't really see the value in needing to categorize every fictional character as either 'bad' or 'good' based on audience moral judgment. You don't have to like Odo as a person because he isn't real, as a character he's rich, well written and supremely acted.
Also Renegade Cut's Voyager video is awful. Basically says it was a great show cause it had untapped potential and cause Kate Mulgrew was a woman. If you don't tap that potential then it isn't good.
Agreed, a mediocre show with a lot of potential is still a mediocre show. I can enjoy Voyager by watching an episode and muttering, "Imagine if they'd done THIS...", but I wouldn't recommend the show to anyone based on that. If anything, the great production quality, big budget, and (mostly) competent cast made the utter lack of imagination from the writers & producers that much more frustrating.
What's funny is that, thanks to TNG, my young self was so used to seeing POC's and women in positions of authority, that having a black/female lead in DS9/Voyager didn't feel like a huge leap.
Yeah, it's super easy to see a really great show within Voyager that they just didn't make