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    • NeverGoOutside [any]
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      3 years ago

      1 Those people had the same problem before covid. Covid is not the only airborne disease in the world. Did you wear a mask for them then? Oh? why not, you horrible murderer?

      2 Whether vaccinated people wear masks at the gym will not be the factor that determines whether another mutation emerges.

      3 I’m not against indoor masks at places that are not the gym, where you are working out and breathing hard. Essential places like grocery stores should require them be worn by everyone, but OPTIONAL indoor dishes such as bars restaurants or gyms should not require them. If you have special needs don’t go to those places, SAME AS BEFORE COVID.

      4 Everyone jumps to thinking people are anti-mask in general just because it’s obvious that it’s stupid in a gym setting. Grow up.

      5 Vaccinated people do not get seriously ill. Did you used to wear a mask before covid because of the cold or flu? If no then you have no ground to stand on.

      You think that you will get to be immune or opt out of our great mass extinction? Think again!

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Lots of people have become compromised in some way since covid started. You're being super heartless.

        My dad died in all this shit. His cancer was not severe before covid, but it became severe during covid. He would have been exactly one of the people you're saying you don't give a shit about right now.

        He is dead because of all this shit. Of course he was on his way out anyway, but I could have had more time with him if circumstances were better. People refusing to care about others is exactly why he died earlier than he should have, because there was no oxygen available, because covid patients had used it all.

        It's not just covid people you're affecting. There is a huge knock on effect in the resources drained from the system that goes to literally EVERY single other life in need of saving and care.

        Please, really think this over. We deserved more time with him and it was stolen from us by a completely useless covid response that caused knock on effects for people entirely unrelated to covid. He absolutely wouldn't have gone when he did if oxygen were available that night, but it wasn't.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            I'm sharing a personal experience about a person affected by covid who died not because he caught covid but because infections of other people affects the healthcare that can be provided to ALL people in urgent care. The point isn't to emotionally manipulate, it just happens to be what I've actually experienced first hand. You're acting like healthcare is an infinite resource and that completely unrelated people don't get affected if thousands of covid patients are in the system, that's simply not the case, the more people that are in the system the worse the system gets for everyone due to resource drain.

            Also, you're a fucking asshole.

            • NeverGoOutside [any]
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              3 years ago

              yeah that's true, that's why i think the unvaccinated (who could have gotten the vaccine) should be denied medical care if they catch covid. but the liberal establishment won't let that happen.

              also sorry to hear about your dad! i miss mine too.

                • NeverGoOutside [any]
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                  3 years ago

                  No everyone should get healthcare. But in a crisis where care must be rationed because capitalist pigs didn’t build enough healthcare infrastructure, selfish unvaccinated pricks should be the ones to be left out. But they won’t be, because many of them have money to buy themselves care in this capitalist hellworld.

                    • NeverGoOutside [any]
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                      3 years ago

                      That video was wild.

                      At least our usernames accurately represent us.

                      I can’t wait for one of us to kill the other for deviating from the party line during the revolution, comrade.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                3 years ago

                Sure. Nobody will let that happen. So don't go around advocating an attitude that ultimately ends up leading to lots of people being hurt that don't deserve it. You're advocating not giving a crap about wearing masks because you don't care about these unvaccinated jerks but you should care about the effect the spread has on people that are completely unrelated to covid.

                • NeverGoOutside [any]
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                  3 years ago

                  No i think people should wear masks indoors when they can. Definitely anywhere that is an essential place like a grocery store or post office etc etc

                  The gym seems like a crappy place to have to wear one. Same with like a bar.

      • Segorinder [any]
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        3 years ago

        Did you used to wear a mask before covid because of the cold or flu?

        You keep using this boomer line about covid being just like the flu. The flu kills an average of ~36,000 people in the US per year. In the last year, covid has killed ~460,000 people in the US. That's with ongoing vaccine rollout for the majority of that period. Yeah, people change their fucking behaviors when we go from dealing with the flu, to what is effectively more than a dozen simultaneous flu seasons.

        You're pointing to the fact that people weren't careful around medically vulnerable people before to justify that when they are now facing a far more dire situation we shouldn't care if they die.

        • NeverGoOutside [any]
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          3 years ago

          post what I wrote in context next time instead of trying to create a strawman to virtue signal against. it's pathetic.

          I wrote that in the context of replying to this: "also fun stuff today like that article re: an outbreak in Massachusetts had 75% of cases involving vaccinated individuals. Yeah, wow, you’re less likely to die, and probably won’t be severely crippled, enjoy your lifelong cough- hope the next wave of SuperCovid doesn’t finish the job!"

          the flu killed people before covid but no one wore masks for that. then came covid and it killed 10x the people as the flu, so people wore masks. now vaccinated people have lowered their risk of dying of Covid back to flu-like levels or less thanks to the vaccine. so they're taking off the masks. this is completely different than a bommer anti-mask argument that conflated the flu with covid in the context of no vaccine being available. but you just want to create a strawman to virtue signal against. why is it? why is making yourself feel righteous so important to you that you'd mis-represent my arguments? stop being a :LIB:

          • ShutUpShutUpShutUp [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            You are a selfish fucking asshole, completely indistinguishable from any given right-winger.

          • Segorinder [any]
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            3 years ago

            I replied directly to your comment, the context is right there for anyone to see.

            If masks only protected the wearer, I wouldn't care if vaccinated people wore them. But we know that with the delta variant, and the effects of the vaccine wearing down over time, vaccinated people are going to be an increasing part of keeping the virus spreading through the population.

            People who can't get vaccines are still in as much danger if they catch covid as they were before the vaccine. If vaccinated people stop caring about them because they personally are protected from consequences that makes them assholes.

            1 Those people had the same problem before covid. Covid is not the only airborne disease in the world. Did you wear a mask for them then? Oh? why not, you horrible murderer?

            You are pushing for acceptance of vulnerable people dying preventable deaths, because vulnerable people have died preventable deaths in the past. I have a problem with that. I keep rereading your comments for more 'context', but nothing changes the apparent message here. If you think that's wrong, maybe rethink what you wrote.

            I'm done with this conversation. I've already said everything I'm choosing to say.

        • NeverGoOutside [any]
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          3 years ago

          Chud chud chud everyone’s a chud except the most hysterical pandemic chicken little in the room. That’s you.

      • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        This line of reasoning will result in more more new strains that will not be affected by the vaccine. This will put us back at square one again or maybe even worse because who knows what the new strains will be like. You're risking mountains of corpses because you don't like wearing a bit of fabric, don't be like this.

        • NeverGoOutside [any]
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          3 years ago

          Oh I don’t mind at all. I don’t go to any gym. I just go to grocery store and i wear mask and it ok. But I understand where felix is coming from.

          It’s the anti-vaxxers that deserve scorn not anyone else. And politicians and capitalists obviously.

      • NeverGoOutside [any]
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        3 years ago

        that's 19% of the 60% of vaccinated people who get breakthrough cases. starts to be a small number. and "long covid" can mean so many different things. from the mundane to the crippling. i don't know a ton about long covid but I think the number of vaccinated people who end up with severe long covid is going to be similar to the number of people who end up with long term problems from getting the flu. I guess we shall see!

        • BigLadKarlLiebknecht [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          I think I’m particularly sensitive to not taking risks as a healthy, double vaxxed friend of mine in his 30s ended up in the ICU with Delta. He’s doing better now, albeit still exhausted a month after being discharged. I know very well that he’s an extreme outlier, but it was still scary and heightened the risk for me, perhaps unreasonably so.

          Personally I don’t have a problem maintaining NPIs like masks and distancing as long as possible, to reduce the reproduction (and hence mutation) rate to increase the chances of a lasting return to safety. Sadly, I think it’s going to be moot discussion regardless of what the CDC recommends now though, Delta is going to do what it’s going to do, both in terms of direct harm and new variants.