• kristina [she/her]
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    ideal thing is just having tech that feeds cells directly and makes it reproduce. becomes way more space efficient to have a ton of vats for it. and we're already nearing industrial production of that scale. its not unlikely that by 2030-2040 that you can get vegan vat grown meat at roughly the same cost as normal meat. theyll likely be making salmon, tuna, and ground chicken first. and itll likely be more efficient acreage wise than farming

    • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Why is it "ideal" to go out of our way to pioneer entirely new kinds of technology to accomplish something we can already accomplish by just farming plants?

      • Koa_lala [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Because we want to successfully feed everyone a nutritious meal? Also, I don't want to be a pale, barely functional skeleton. Consuming less meat, sure. But also remember that not every country is the US where meat consumption is as idiotic as every other form of consumption there. Meat consumption in China is like less than half of what it is in the states.

        • kristina [she/her]
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          i eat like a normal czech person, we eat like, potatoes and chicken and lots of fuckin berries. like a bowl of berries a day, its habitual to have a ton of berry bushes in your back yard. i also have medical issues that make a lot of non-fruit plants inedible for me. restricting my diet further is dangerous on many levels. if this tech figures out chicken cell reproduction (or any meat really) and sells it at the same price as other meats, i'd be functionally a vegan. and a lot of countries would be like that too. most places eat chicken in high quantities. solve that one meat and so much of the meat industry collapses.

        • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Because we want to successfully feed everyone a nutritious meal?

          Why do you falsely believe you can't do that with plants?

          • Koa_lala [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            the key words here are 'successfully' and 'everyone'.

            • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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              And you'd rather rely on fantasy technology that we will hypothetically have in the future than simple agriculture that we've had for thousands of years? That's idealism, it's silly. Stop being silly.

              • kristina [she/her]
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                fantasy? are you living under a rock? companies are already selling this to restaurants. the problem right now is one of scale. you can buy these vegan meat dishes for like 25 bucks for a small portion. another issue is that the methods arent approved by the USDA yet, but in hong kong and singapore its already approved and available in many restaurants.

                https://youtu.be/1OO5YpCevfY

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        lmao, youre one of those whackjobs. its already on the cusp, if youre able to achieve global veganism before this tech takes over the meat industry ill applaud you. frankly? global veganism isnt going to happen without this tech, no matter how much you want to fairy tale it into existence. you cant just muh individualism people into veganism. and no redneck in the south is gonna sign up for a vegan revolutionary army. theyll laugh at you. and that includes the socialist rednecks. what are the material conditions necessary for creating a vegan revolutionary army anyways? what if you enter a long march scenario, where youre trekking through treacherous terrain and have to scavenge off the land? no eating deer? let the entire army die?

        • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          before this tech takes over the meat industry

          This is complete nonsense, that's never going to happen. Carnists love cruelty and will never stop.

            • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              They think cruelty is the "natural" and "correct" way of going about life. They won't change because they don't think what they're doing is wrong in any way. It's like thinking that Biden libs will suddenly go out of their way to implement communism. It's not their goal. Carnists are not trying to phase out the murder of animals, because they love it and think it's correct.

                • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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                  3 years ago

                  it’s wrong to think most people won’t choose the less violent option if it’s given to them

                  No, you are the one who is wrong in assuming that a significant chunk of carnists will go out of their way to do less violence. They don't see what they support as violence. They would see lab grown meat as a weird novelty that will probably give them supercancer or (worse) breasts and avoid it at all costs.

                    • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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                      3 years ago

                      lmao carnists are already afraid of tofu, you think they're going to be less afraid of eating weird clone meat?

                      it's ridiculous to even consider dude

                      • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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                        The average meat eater (aka 90%+ of the world's population) give zero fucks where their meat comes from. If cloned chicken and regular chicken look identical sitting next to each other in the grocery store they're not going to give a fuck if the latter quietly disappears in favor of the former.

                        The rolling-coal eat-7-steaks-a-day-to-own-the-libs dipshits are not the average person.

          • kristina [she/her]
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            whackjob. you are a whackjob. go touch grass.

            also, if we inherently love cruelty for eating meat, why will we be vegan? shut up then. im gonna go bathe in pig blood right now, and have an orgy covered in cow intestines. because i'm cruel.