Did Sinovac also conduct and publish the reports you're basing the efficacy of Western vaccines on?
Did the Sinovac study actually compare Chinese vaccine effectiveness to Western effectiveness using the same methodology, or are you comparing apples to CIA oranges?
ΟΚ got it, vaccines are CIA now apparently. Pointless to continue this convo if you're just going to dismiss every research that has been conducted in multiple countries as CIA like some antivaxxer.
If you don't think vaccines serve an arm of American and Western foreign policy then I don't know what to tell you. If you want me to accept that Chinese vaccines are "objectively" less effective then you can point me at a comparative study from a reliable source that isn't in the pocket of the US, or acting for its own bare profit motive.
some antivaxxer
I think there's some middle ground between anti-vaxx and uncritically accepting the statements of big pharma and the USG when money is involved, but I guess I'm just dumb.
If you don’t think vaccines serve an arm of American and Western foreign policy then I don’t know what to tell you. I
WTF does that have to do with anything?
I think there’s some middle ground between anti-vaxx and uncritically accepting the statements of big pharma and the USG when money is involved, but I guess I’m just dumb.
Dude you are straight up saying exactly what anti vaxxers are saying.
The Sinovac results from places where there was a decent sample size showed they are 50-65% effective. This is lower than the other vaccines, except for AZ against the beta variant in particular (although more recent results were better, and there aren't official results on how Sinovac fares against the variants yet). Maybe it is comparable to AZ but the mRNA vaccines as well as Sputnik V have had much better results pretty consistently. Brazil bought and tested Sinovac as well as many other vaccines including Pfizer, AZ and Moderna, Sinovac just didn't fare as well. China didn't contest the results so I'm not sure why you are. . You have no solid basis to say there's some vast worldwide conspiracy to somehow fake all these results over and over again. If you believe that you might as well just reject the vaccines in general, since apparently every relevant research is unreliable, except for Sinopharm/Sinovac which I suppose doesn't sell them for profit lmao. Like why the fuck would you want people to use a product en masse when there exists no reliable research about it? It's bizarre that people can both hold this position AND the position that there should be mandatory vaccinations.
If you want me to accept that Chinese vaccines are “objectively” less effective then you can point me at a comparative study from a reliable source that isn’t in the pocket of the US, or acting for its own bare profit motive.
It's impossible for me to do that because whatever I bring up you'll find some convoluted way how it's actually CIA or whatever because you've clearly already decided it. It's pointless. They are objectively less effective according to relevant research that has been released. If you just wanna deny the research then there isn't really anything more I can give you.
Sinopharm and Sinovac both offer less protection against mild symptoms than mRNA vaccines, but they are able to prevent death and serious symptoms to a similar degree even against the new variants. All the bombastic headlines scrutinizing Chinese vaccines in the weeks past ignore this.
The Chinese vaccines are objectively not as effective.
Even if that's true, they're still much more effective than nothing, which is the alternative the West is offering most of the world.
Yes, that is true, however they are definitely considerably less effective according to the researches.
Studies carried out by whom, funded by whom, and based on who's data?
The researches that the Sinovac producing company conducted and published lol
Did Sinovac also conduct and publish the reports you're basing the efficacy of Western vaccines on?
Did the Sinovac study actually compare Chinese vaccine effectiveness to Western effectiveness using the same methodology, or are you comparing apples to CIA oranges?
ΟΚ got it, vaccines are CIA now apparently. Pointless to continue this convo if you're just going to dismiss every research that has been conducted in multiple countries as CIA like some antivaxxer.
If you don't think vaccines serve an arm of American and Western foreign policy then I don't know what to tell you. If you want me to accept that Chinese vaccines are "objectively" less effective then you can point me at a comparative study from a reliable source that isn't in the pocket of the US, or acting for its own bare profit motive.
I think there's some middle ground between anti-vaxx and uncritically accepting the statements of big pharma and the USG when money is involved, but I guess I'm just dumb.
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WTF does that have to do with anything?
Dude you are straight up saying exactly what anti vaxxers are saying.
The Sinovac results from places where there was a decent sample size showed they are 50-65% effective. This is lower than the other vaccines, except for AZ against the beta variant in particular (although more recent results were better, and there aren't official results on how Sinovac fares against the variants yet). Maybe it is comparable to AZ but the mRNA vaccines as well as Sputnik V have had much better results pretty consistently. Brazil bought and tested Sinovac as well as many other vaccines including Pfizer, AZ and Moderna, Sinovac just didn't fare as well. China didn't contest the results so I'm not sure why you are. . You have no solid basis to say there's some vast worldwide conspiracy to somehow fake all these results over and over again. If you believe that you might as well just reject the vaccines in general, since apparently every relevant research is unreliable, except for Sinopharm/Sinovac which I suppose doesn't sell them for profit lmao. Like why the fuck would you want people to use a product en masse when there exists no reliable research about it? It's bizarre that people can both hold this position AND the position that there should be mandatory vaccinations.
It's impossible for me to do that because whatever I bring up you'll find some convoluted way how it's actually CIA or whatever because you've clearly already decided it. It's pointless. They are objectively less effective according to relevant research that has been released. If you just wanna deny the research then there isn't really anything more I can give you.
Don't Pfizer and Moderna have to be stored at like -30°C or something
Yes, that's one downside, they are also quite expensive. I'm talking in terms of how effective they are.
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Sinopharm and Sinovac both offer less protection against mild symptoms than mRNA vaccines, but they are able to prevent death and serious symptoms to a similar degree even against the new variants. All the bombastic headlines scrutinizing Chinese vaccines in the weeks past ignore this.