Multiple republicans are at least calling to stop funding the genocide. It's for dumbshit reasons like not being enough of a fascist on the border but Joe is literally going farther than many republicans in supporting the ongoing genocide.
Also you're commenting on an article quoting him bragging about how much he supports it, I know liberals are pretty experienced in ignoring what Biden says so they can pretend he's more progressive but like, what do you mean prove it your commenting on an article where he said it.
Obviously the only ideology in either case is fealty to capital, but Republicans blocking Joe's attempt at getting Israel more funding is objectively at least slightly to the left of getting Israel more funding, meanwhile anyone can tell you that "try to get the other guy's President impeached" has become an increasingly regular feature of political theater, and yet you use motivated reasoning to say that the former doesn't count while the latter is indicative of an ideological divide and not just a way that parties now like promoting their brand.
I don't particularly respect galaxybrained takes about Republicans somehow being overall more progressive than Dems, but pretending that Dems are progressive is just sad.
THIS is what a proper, pondered reply looks like. Whether it is agreeable or not, it addresses the original point made and makes an effort, in good faith, to justify his position.
Yet another display of your intellectual dishonesty, as you're talking to someone who's openly a democratic marxist communist. Instead of deflecting and using ad hominem attacks, you could instead focus on trying to understand things and why people have different opinions.
To be clear didn't read any of that horseshit past your first sentence because clearly it would be a waste of time.
So everybody has an idea of how much energy to waste trying to have conversations with you I wan a make this really clear. Are you saying there is no objective way to know whether or not Biden said he is a zionist who will fully support Isreal here?
Because if that's the case I think you're confusing "objective reality" for "literacy"
Because we're literally commenting on an article that directly quotes Joe Biden as saying that.
So unless you're saying what Biden says has no connection to reality (you could probably get somewhere with this but pretty sure that's not your point) not really sure what you're backup is.
Epistemic fallacy, non sequitur, strawman fallacy, goalpost moving.
His argumentation was clear in that it was directed at questioning one, and only one, attribute mentioned by you, specifically:
Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them. [emphasis mine]
You, on the other hand, argued for:
Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them. [emphasis mine]
Which is neither valid as a reply, nor is it relevant to the raised issue.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
According to 90% of both parties in the house criticism of the state of Isreal is anti semitism so if you wanna get mad at somebody for conflating terms go yell at a liberal.
Also love that you're trying the argument that him saying he's a zionist doesn't necessarily mean he supports what Isreal is doing, conveniently ignoring the second half of his sentence was "which is why I will continue to support Isreal in what they are doing"
Also just so you know when you come in here, insist we have to vote for Biden, say that Biden saying "I'm a zionist which is why I will continue to support isreals war" doesn't mean that Biden supports what Isreal is doing, tell us to go fuck ourselves, and then tell us we dont understand how anything works that just confirms everybody already pretty firmly held beliefs that you're full of shit and not worth engaging with, and deffinitly not worth supporting your candidates.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
Discrediting of opinion isn't a valid path of argumentation. Don't lower yourself to the tatics of the right simply because it's easy... (unless it's a lost case, like a Nazi. Then it becomes justified).
I'm a real life community defense activist, firearms and medical instructor in one one the worst hellish slums in amerikkka. I bully liberals online for funsies. Go outside, join an org, touch some grass, and stop being a liberal.
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Multiple republicans are at least calling to stop funding the genocide. It's for dumbshit reasons like not being enough of a fascist on the border but Joe is literally going farther than many republicans in supporting the ongoing genocide.
Also you're commenting on an article quoting him bragging about how much he supports it, I know liberals are pretty experienced in ignoring what Biden says so they can pretend he's more progressive but like, what do you mean prove it your commenting on an article where he said it.
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Obviously the only ideology in either case is fealty to capital, but Republicans blocking Joe's attempt at getting Israel more funding is objectively at least slightly to the left of getting Israel more funding, meanwhile anyone can tell you that "try to get the other guy's President impeached" has become an increasingly regular feature of political theater, and yet you use motivated reasoning to say that the former doesn't count while the latter is indicative of an ideological divide and not just a way that parties now like promoting their brand.
I don't particularly respect galaxybrained takes about Republicans somehow being overall more progressive than Dems, but pretending that Dems are progressive is just sad.
@Adkml@hexbear.net @princeofsin@hexbear.net @anonochronomus@hexbear.net
THIS is what a proper, pondered reply looks like. Whether it is agreeable or not, it addresses the original point made and makes an effort, in good faith, to justify his position.
You're truly persistent, but I couldn't possibly accept it. Let me tell you what - how about you enjoy it by yourself?
good lord you're a dork
One of my many charms.
We're on the internet, none of this is real. Go touch grass, nerd.
Non sequitur, ad hominem, infantile response.
The locus of discussions doesn't affect argumentation.
Touch grass
Very insightful, thank you.
Sorry we weren't polite enough to you while you were defending concentration camps
Yet another display of your intellectual dishonesty, as you're talking to someone who's openly a democratic marxist communist. Instead of deflecting and using ad hominem attacks, you could instead focus on trying to understand things and why people have different opinions.
To be clear didn't read any of that horseshit past your first sentence because clearly it would be a waste of time.
So everybody has an idea of how much energy to waste trying to have conversations with you I wan a make this really clear. Are you saying there is no objective way to know whether or not Biden said he is a zionist who will fully support Isreal here?
Because if that's the case I think you're confusing "objective reality" for "literacy"
Because we're literally commenting on an article that directly quotes Joe Biden as saying that.
So unless you're saying what Biden says has no connection to reality (you could probably get somewhere with this but pretty sure that's not your point) not really sure what you're backup is.
Epistemic fallacy, non sequitur, strawman fallacy, goalpost moving.
His argumentation was clear in that it was directed at questioning one, and only one, attribute mentioned by you, specifically:
You, on the other hand, argued for:
Which is neither valid as a reply, nor is it relevant to the raised issue.
I would give you a swirly, given the opportunity
Try if you wish... there's a lot of muscle for you to go against.
You do realise this only makes you look more childish, yes?
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
absolutely, but it's funny to me. No serious offense intended, friend
Can't say I approve of doing it often, but a little silliness is good once in a while.
How kind of you to offer, but I'm not interested in that. My relationships with people on the internet are strictly platonic.
Marvel is not real life
Astute observation.
Attempted ad hominem, bandwagoning, infantile reply.
Except it isn't, as you'd know if you did any studying beyond looking up a list of fallacies on wikipedia...
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According to 90% of both parties in the house criticism of the state of Isreal is anti semitism so if you wanna get mad at somebody for conflating terms go yell at a liberal.
Also love that you're trying the argument that him saying he's a zionist doesn't necessarily mean he supports what Isreal is doing, conveniently ignoring the second half of his sentence was "which is why I will continue to support Isreal in what they are doing"
Also just so you know when you come in here, insist we have to vote for Biden, say that Biden saying "I'm a zionist which is why I will continue to support isreals war" doesn't mean that Biden supports what Isreal is doing, tell us to go fuck ourselves, and then tell us we dont understand how anything works that just confirms everybody already pretty firmly held beliefs that you're full of shit and not worth engaging with, and deffinitly not worth supporting your candidates.
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Quiet, liberal. The adults are talking.
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Aren't you a kracker with a grandfather that is a proud zionist?
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How many times has your grandfather said the N word?
Completely irrelevant to the discussion and, ironically, very childish.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
Discrediting of opinion isn't a valid path of argumentation. Don't lower yourself to the tatics of the right simply because it's easy... (unless it's a lost case, like a Nazi. Then it becomes justified).
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Doesn't look like that to me. Admittedly, I only went 4 pages deep, but I couldn't find any evidence of your claim.
Well they've purged their comments now.
Cope and seethe, lib.
I'm a communist.
Put your money where your mouth is. What do you do in real life? Are you an organizer?
Are you? Because to me, you seem like the regular garden variety, run-of-the-mill, imageboard troll.
I'm a real life community defense activist, firearms and medical instructor in one one the worst hellish slums in amerikkka. I bully liberals online for funsies. Go outside, join an org, touch some grass, and stop being a liberal.
Somehow I don't believe you. I wonder why.
Guess what, I don't give a shit what you think. touch grass.
Clearly you do, since you're so invested in a conversation which didn't even feature you originally.
Cope and seethe loser, you're giving me so much power over your emotions right now. What do you do? Do you ever leave the basement?
Just like I said: a regular, run-of-the-mill imageboard troll. That's pretty sad.
you're grasping at straws here because you've been eviscerated in this thread, Its very funny. Go back to Lemmy liberal
Now you've gone completely peculiar. Did you get so flustered that you confused lemmy with reddit?
Same difference
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