• Adkml [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    points at objective reality

    Multiple republicans are at least calling to stop funding the genocide. It's for dumbshit reasons like not being enough of a fascist on the border but Joe is literally going farther than many republicans in supporting the ongoing genocide.

    Also you're commenting on an article quoting him bragging about how much he supports it, I know liberals are pretty experienced in ignoring what Biden says so they can pretend he's more progressive but like, what do you mean prove it your commenting on an article where he said it.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Obviously the only ideology in either case is fealty to capital, but Republicans blocking Joe's attempt at getting Israel more funding is objectively at least slightly to the left of getting Israel more funding, meanwhile anyone can tell you that "try to get the other guy's President impeached" has become an increasingly regular feature of political theater, and yet you use motivated reasoning to say that the former doesn't count while the latter is indicative of an ideological divide and not just a way that parties now like promoting their brand.

        I don't particularly respect galaxybrained takes about Republicans somehow being overall more progressive than Dems, but pretending that Dems are progressive is just sad.

        • Gabu@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          @Adkml@hexbear.net @princeofsin@hexbear.net @anonochronomus@hexbear.net

          THIS is what a proper, pondered reply looks like. Whether it is agreeable or not, it addresses the original point made and makes an effort, in good faith, to justify his position.

      • Adkml [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        To be clear didn't read any of that horseshit past your first sentence because clearly it would be a waste of time.

        So everybody has an idea of how much energy to waste trying to have conversations with you I wan a make this really clear. Are you saying there is no objective way to know whether or not Biden said he is a zionist who will fully support Isreal here?

        Because if that's the case I think you're confusing "objective reality" for "literacy"

        Because we're literally commenting on an article that directly quotes Joe Biden as saying that.

        So unless you're saying what Biden says has no connection to reality (you could probably get somewhere with this but pretty sure that's not your point) not really sure what you're backup is.

        • Gabu@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          Epistemic fallacy, non sequitur, strawman fallacy, goalpost moving.

          His argumentation was clear in that it was directed at questioning one, and only one, attribute mentioned by you, specifically:

          Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them. [emphasis mine]

          You, on the other hand, argued for:

          Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them. [emphasis mine]

          Which is neither valid as a reply, nor is it relevant to the raised issue.

          • Flinch [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            I would give you a swirly, given the opportunity

                  • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    1 year ago

                    I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

                  • Flinch [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    absolutely, but it's funny to me. No serious offense intended, friend mao-wave

          • HornyOnMain
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            1 year ago

            Epistemic fallacy, non sequitur, strawman fallacy, goalpost moving.

            farquaad-point redditor

                • Gabu@lemmy.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  Except it isn't, as you'd know if you did any studying beyond looking up a list of fallacies on wikipedia...

          • Adkml [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            According to 90% of both parties in the house criticism of the state of Isreal is anti semitism so if you wanna get mad at somebody for conflating terms go yell at a liberal.

            Also love that you're trying the argument that him saying he's a zionist doesn't necessarily mean he supports what Isreal is doing, conveniently ignoring the second half of his sentence was "which is why I will continue to support Isreal in what they are doing"

            Also just so you know when you come in here, insist we have to vote for Biden, say that Biden saying "I'm a zionist which is why I will continue to support isreals war" doesn't mean that Biden supports what Isreal is doing, tell us to go fuck ourselves, and then tell us we dont understand how anything works that just confirms everybody already pretty firmly held beliefs that you're full of shit and not worth engaging with, and deffinitly not worth supporting your candidates.