So, I fully support trans people competing with cisgender people in sport. I also think there's loads of sports where you could gender desegregate it - basically all the sports that don't rely on strength and size.

So I said that bit, but then I also said that if you desegregated sports like swimming, football, rugby, etc etc, then you would never see a woman in a top team or on the podium at the Olympics ever again. Is that not factual? Even Ledecky, who is a ridiculously good swimmer, would not even make the men's swimming final at the Olympics.

I think you could desegregate sports at lower levels too - I've seen it done and experienced it. I was in a middle tier team in cricket with a bunch of dinguses, and the sometimes Women's A Team players would join our matches. They were as capable or better than the blokes most of the time. However, these women went on to play internationally, on TV, picking up contracts and stuff by playing against other women. If it was desegregated she'd be playing with shmucks like me who never even really liked cricket.

Am I wrong?

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    basically all the sports that don’t rely on strength and size.

    Most of the Olympic sports rely on these things, that is the issue. You have shooting, long distance sports and equestrians which are already not segregated, and I guess gymnastics although that is a bit different in how it is rated etc. I think a good idea would be to add more sports better suited to women's bodies.

    And I agree, I feel like a lot of people who really want desegregated sports haven't talked to many female athletes, because it really is not a very popular idea obviously. Of course there is a lot of grey area but generally desegregating them would be worse than not doing that, so it's just not a good solution.

    It's also kind of silly how everyone super invested in this argument with all sorts of hot takes about it has basically no stake in this and does not compete or even knows anyone who competes in sports professionally. I don't understand why people would think they can just ignore the opinion of people who are somehow affected by this when they come up with all sorts of weird ideas about massive changes in competitive sports.