So, I fully support trans people competing with cisgender people in sport. I also think there's loads of sports where you could gender desegregate it - basically all the sports that don't rely on strength and size.

So I said that bit, but then I also said that if you desegregated sports like swimming, football, rugby, etc etc, then you would never see a woman in a top team or on the podium at the Olympics ever again. Is that not factual? Even Ledecky, who is a ridiculously good swimmer, would not even make the men's swimming final at the Olympics.

I think you could desegregate sports at lower levels too - I've seen it done and experienced it. I was in a middle tier team in cricket with a bunch of dinguses, and the sometimes Women's A Team players would join our matches. They were as capable or better than the blokes most of the time. However, these women went on to play internationally, on TV, picking up contracts and stuff by playing against other women. If it was desegregated she'd be playing with shmucks like me who never even really liked cricket.

Am I wrong?

  • deadbergeron [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    I know nothing about this debate I will say two things and I'm wondering your and others thoughts on it.

    Weightlifting is divided by weight class which allows smaller athletes to perform. Is it possible to divide sports based on something like this rather than gender? Something that is more tied to how well an athlete will perform than gender? Or is gender really that telling as to how an athlete will perform?

    The paralympics is divided by functional ability. Maybe all sports should be divided how the paralympics is divided? Again, and I'm not sure, is gender really the most telling characteristic in how well someone will perform in a sport, or are there more telling characteristics and sport can be divided based on those characteristics rather than gender?