So, I fully support trans people competing with cisgender people in sport. I also think there's loads of sports where you could gender desegregate it - basically all the sports that don't rely on strength and size.

So I said that bit, but then I also said that if you desegregated sports like swimming, football, rugby, etc etc, then you would never see a woman in a top team or on the podium at the Olympics ever again. Is that not factual? Even Ledecky, who is a ridiculously good swimmer, would not even make the men's swimming final at the Olympics.

I think you could desegregate sports at lower levels too - I've seen it done and experienced it. I was in a middle tier team in cricket with a bunch of dinguses, and the sometimes Women's A Team players would join our matches. They were as capable or better than the blokes most of the time. However, these women went on to play internationally, on TV, picking up contracts and stuff by playing against other women. If it was desegregated she'd be playing with shmucks like me who never even really liked cricket.

Am I wrong?

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      What happens post revolution that somehow makes people go "you know what? Competitive sports? Dumb. I'll just drop it all because the only reason I ever cared about competing for the best performance/watching sports was capitalism I guess"?

      If anything the opposite happened in almost every place post revolution lol

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          How would it resolve any of the issues? The issue does not exist for those who don't care to compete or otherwise don't care anyways, it only exists for those who do, and for those people eliminating the competition doesn't solve their issue, it creates a bigger one, which is "now I don't have the thing I care about". It's like saying that the problem of whether you or your sister gets to play first is solved by throwing your console out of the window, it's not exactly a solution, it's a larger problem.

          • beefandbellpeppers [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            I had a response typed to the other user but they had the grace to bow out and I'm gonna emulate that behavior because they were right this is getting very reddit debatebro-y!