I think its more an attitude of, most people here are in the US, and so what are we going to do about women in Afghanistan while on the other side of the world? It's much more useful for us to oppose our own country, and a lot of the people in the US now raising the alarm about women in Afghanistan have never cared about women in Afghanistan at any prior time, and just want to gather support for further occupation. It's much more useful to oppose that.
I do agree though, a lot of the comments here don't seem to realize how horrible the Taliban is for most Afghans. I don't know if that's because there are a lot of young people here who are literally too young to remember the Taliban before occupation or what, but yeah, I do understand what you're feeling. But I think there's also a feeling of, what are we going to do, go back in? We're out and that's a good thing.
We do have Afghan charities pinned to the home page though. I think that's the most that most people here can do.
All of this handwringing is pretty fucking stupid and pointless. You can't get women's rights at gunpoint. 2 trillion dollars didn't buy it. The biggest military in the world didn't secure it. You can lament the regression of rights for women, but for fucks sake it was bought at the expense of hundreds of thousands of lives and bombs. How is that good for women????
I wish the Soviet-backed govt had survived, I really do, but the world we live in now means the Taliban is the most legitimate ruler of that nation until material conditions change.
You can get rights, including women's rights, at gunpoint, but who's holding the gun is very important. Imperialists just trying to enrich themselves and dominate clearly never actually gave a shit. Socialists with guns have repeatedly improved women's rights and their societal/economic standing, forcing it onto patriarchal societies.
Doesn't seem right to laugh about it either way. This reporter may be a bastard but afghan women are still going to be victimized and a bunch of american men laughing at them online is gross af
well i think you are choosing to read things in to it that I don't see being there. but hey whatever i never even saw it before it was deleted and don't care that much one way or another.
It's the near enemy and the far enemy. The near enemy are the ones you want to destroy, while nobody really gets worked up about the far enemy. People can’t get together enough energy to really hate the Taliban, let alone Muslims in general. We understand that what they are doing is bad, but it doesn't anger us personally. When they took ever, we were able to very rationally apply our better nature and our Far Mode beliefs about how it’s never right to be happy about anyone else’s misfortunes.
On the other hand, that same group absolutely loathes most Americans. Most of them (though not all) can agree, if the question is posed explicitly, that the Taliban are worse people than Americans. But in terms of actual gut feeling? The Taliban provokes a snap judgment of “flawed human beings”, Americans a snap judgment of “scum”.
I think its more an attitude of, most people here are in the US, and so what are we going to do about women in Afghanistan while on the other side of the world? It's much more useful for us to oppose our own country, and a lot of the people in the US now raising the alarm about women in Afghanistan have never cared about women in Afghanistan at any prior time, and just want to gather support for further occupation. It's much more useful to oppose that.
I do agree though, a lot of the comments here don't seem to realize how horrible the Taliban is for most Afghans. I don't know if that's because there are a lot of young people here who are literally too young to remember the Taliban before occupation or what, but yeah, I do understand what you're feeling. But I think there's also a feeling of, what are we going to do, go back in? We're out and that's a good thing.
We do have Afghan charities pinned to the home page though. I think that's the most that most people here can do.
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All of this handwringing is pretty fucking stupid and pointless. You can't get women's rights at gunpoint. 2 trillion dollars didn't buy it. The biggest military in the world didn't secure it. You can lament the regression of rights for women, but for fucks sake it was bought at the expense of hundreds of thousands of lives and bombs. How is that good for women????
I wish the Soviet-backed govt had survived, I really do, but the world we live in now means the Taliban is the most legitimate ruler of that nation until material conditions change.
You can get rights, including women's rights, at gunpoint, but who's holding the gun is very important. Imperialists just trying to enrich themselves and dominate clearly never actually gave a shit. Socialists with guns have repeatedly improved women's rights and their societal/economic standing, forcing it onto patriarchal societies.
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Wtf is that first post bruh
i mean it's literally making fun of a stupid CNN propaganda reporter who probably works for the fucking CIA.
Doesn't seem right to laugh about it either way. This reporter may be a bastard but afghan women are still going to be victimized and a bunch of american men laughing at them online is gross af
i mean i don't think that is what the post is doing. it's making fun of a CNN reporter
I did not get that impression frankly
well i think you are choosing to read things in to it that I don't see being there. but hey whatever i never even saw it before it was deleted and don't care that much one way or another.
I'm not ""choosing"" to read it that way it's just how I read it
The reporter is one of the targets but not the only one
It's the near enemy and the far enemy. The near enemy are the ones you want to destroy, while nobody really gets worked up about the far enemy. People can’t get together enough energy to really hate the Taliban, let alone Muslims in general. We understand that what they are doing is bad, but it doesn't anger us personally. When they took ever, we were able to very rationally apply our better nature and our Far Mode beliefs about how it’s never right to be happy about anyone else’s misfortunes.
On the other hand, that same group absolutely loathes most Americans. Most of them (though not all) can agree, if the question is posed explicitly, that the Taliban are worse people than Americans. But in terms of actual gut feeling? The Taliban provokes a snap judgment of “flawed human beings”, Americans a snap judgment of “scum”.