Yesterday I made the mistake of watching random comedians on youtube. One guy I saw had an audience of thousands of people in Australia, and he told nothing except painfully racist anti-China jokes. (Yes, it might have been the algorithm being like: "You like China? Well, howabout a comedian advocating genocide on China?") Everyone on hexbear knows that this is typical for comedians because the audiences at comedy shows tend to be drunk bourgeois scum, etc., etc.

But it's not just comedy. How many movies have you seen or books have you read where any of the characters, at any point, says something incredibly basic like: "capitalism bad, communism good." I'm not even sure Soviet or Chinese movies go that far (with the notable exception of Eisenstein's films...which were made before 1945). Plenty of works of art might imply that there is something corrupt about the military, police, or the powers-that-be, but they will never say that the system is the problem and that a better system exists. One very rare exception I can think of is The Battle of Algiers.

Also think about the dogshit novels Americans have to read in school: Animal Farm or To Kill A Mockingbird. The moral of both stories is basically: "Opposing the system is futile. Accept the system." Nabokov is hailed as the greatest novelist of the latter half of the 20th century, but he's basically a highbrow version of Ayn Rand, and repeatedly condemns communism by name in his books. We also know that the CIA had (and has) its fingers in every pie, and that the PMC also knows that it's not allowed to "get political," i.e., provide context. Even when it comes to classical Russian literature, Dostoevsky is probably the most popular in the USA, and the guy is a reactionary Christian monarchist who recycles the openings to his novels and is apparently nowhere near as popular in Russia.

I've just also been thinking about the greatest works of Statesian literature, how they are few and far between, how they were all written before 1945, and how they rarely were recognized for their greatness until long after their authors were dead. Steinbeck is one exception. The Grapes of Wrath is great (it was also written before 1945), but doesn't advocate for a better system. Poe and Melville are as good as the best writers from any other country, and Melville specifically inveighs against colonialism in his earlier novels, but both of these dudes were dead before they were recognized as titans. (Melville enjoyed some early success but then faded into obscurity long before he finished Moby Dick.) Are any post-1945 Statesian writers as good as Poe or Melville? Maybe just Octavia Butler, who was dead before she was a household name AFAIK. She advocates for communism in Parable of the Sower, but has to hide it behind mystical language ("God is change"). Sorry To Bother You is one possible cinematic exception, but it never goes beyond saying that the system sucks.

I'm wrapping up a trilogy of novels at the moment, and they are blatantly pro-communist, and I'm just preparing myself for the fact that they are almost certainly not going to be a success, not just because of the numbers involved (millions of books published every year), but because of the passionate anti-communism in western countries. These books don't have people saying "capitalism bad, communism good." But they do have workers and peasants forming Soviets (even though they aren't called Soviets), and I know from experience that even if as a writer you never turn to the camera and say "capitalism bad, communism good," readers will still pick up on the fact that something is wrong, from a capitalist perspective—that workers aren't capable of doing anything on our own, we need guidance from our enlightened masters, "human nature" is futile to oppose. I think there's just a dialectical materialist style of writing that liberals and fascists pick up on without necessarily knowing that they're picking up on it (because they spend their entire lives asleep).

Also I thought about this because I just saw and liked Trumbo, even though I was like: the blacklist never ended lol, where is my biopic about Paul Robeson, a Black colossus who never backed down from praising Stalin? Even if your job is dog shit picker upper (which I have done), you’ll lose that job if you praise Stalin.

And yes, this is a Arby's.

  • duderium [he/him]
    hexagon
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    11 months ago

    But wouldn't you agree that there's a big jump between "I hate capitalism" and "maybe the Soviet Union wasn't that bad" for example?

    • Dolores [love/loves]
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      11 months ago

      i hate capitalism and i am demonstrating a direct way to impact it. besides the end that also has a slave uprising. i don't fault modern authors for not litigating the USSR though, like fuck you if you slander/get ahistorical in a period piece, but the USSR is not as relevant to our current situation anymore. what would Boots Riley making the USSR look good really do for us?

      • duderium [he/him]
        hexagon
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        11 months ago

        Class struggle takes place everywhere, even in the ideological realm. Can you imagine the effect an accurate biopic about Paul Robeson might have on the USA?

        • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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          11 months ago

          Can you imagine the effect an accurate biopic about Paul Robeson might have on the USA?

          Warren Beatty made a film about Bolshevik journalist John Reed, largely sympathetic to him and the Russian revolution, in 81. Didn't really inspire that many people to Be communists.

          • duderium [he/him]
            hexagon
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            11 months ago

            John Reed was white. When has a film been made about a Black communist who never denounced Stalin?

                • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                  11 months ago

                  Lol who fucking told you that?

                  The FBI is presented a racist and corrupt organization that pressures a desperate black man into betraying his friends. Hampton is shown as a courageous leader murdered in his prime by a racist institution. It's the farthest fucking thing from Copaganda, it's probably the least copaganda film Hollywood has ever made.

                  Where are you getting your media take from?

                  • duderium [he/him]
                    hexagon
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                    11 months ago

                    Maybe I'll check it out? But I'll be pissed if it turns out to be copaganda. I will send you an angry emoji.

                    • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                      11 months ago

                      I really struggle to see how it could be interpreted as copaganda at all, genuinely.

                      • duderium [he/him]
                        hexagon
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                        11 months ago

                        Okay so I watched it and enjoyed it but it was copaganda. The story is told mostly from the traitor’s perspective and he is depicted as being conflicted about being a traitor. So many cop/war movies depict Americans this way. “We suck but at least we feel bad about it.”

                        • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                          11 months ago

                          I reject this framing. I think the focus on the traitor because it helps illustrate the workings of the FBI and how they sabotage movements. I think he's presented as pitiable but ultimately a coward.

                          It's probably also the most sympathetic I've ever seen a communist group be portrayed in western film.

                          • duderium [he/him]
                            hexagon
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                            11 months ago

                            You know, a police officer appears briefly in Psycho, and it’s actually one of my favorite American depictions of the police. The dude is just 100% evil and terrifying and has absolutely no qualms about hurting people for fun. This whole thing about cops/soldiers feeling bad about being mass murderers is basically one result of the US becoming an imperial superpower after WW2.

                            And yes, Judas might be a decent depiction of communists from American media, but the bar is very low. I want a movie about communists who win and aren’t ashamed of it. Such movies exist, but they aren’t made in America.

                            • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                              11 months ago

                              I think all the actual cops in the film are presented in an extremely negative light. The police informant is sometimes given sympathetic moments but that's only because he was being pressed into what he was doing, and I feel he was still ultimately condemned as a coward despite it.

                              And yes I get that but the film is also a historical piece, and sadly the Panther did not win.