Yes, the Roman turn to early Christianity wasn't so much the cause of its collapse (as is often believed) but a symptom of institutional rot. In Judea, Jesus was one of hundreds of similar personalities starting up fringe cults in an explosion of messianic spiritualism around that time- his was just the breakout success
Right now the Q movements absolutely have the opportunity to create permanent offshoot religions from Evangelical Christianity, possibly with a new living prophet placed higher than Jesus
Tfw Jesus is the messiah but you think he was a lame messiah so you become a messiah also and lead your people in guerrilla warfare in the bar kokhba rebellion against the imperialist Roman forces and end up getting your people massacred and banned from the holy city
There were other cults that got huge too, what became Catholicism (ignoring the east west schism in the 11th century) just won out. For example the Mithraic Mysteries, and several other mystery religions (and outside the empire there was also Manichaeism which was the major competitor to Christianity and Islam in central Asia and Persia, and North Africa for a time, it by far was the biggest competitor, lasting in China till the 14th century. Augustine of Hippo famously converted from Manichaeism to Christianity. It was a syncretic religion, taking aspects of zoroastrianism, christianity, judaism, and Buddhism I think. It revered Zoroaster, the buddha, and Jesus as prophets. Really interesting in that Zoroastrianism also as a base used the same myths as the Rigveda). Christianity was just rather special in the empire in that it was centered more on common practice and salvation than the mystery cults. However it's important to remember that there were many varieties of Christianity super different from one another vying for mass support, and what became catholicism won out via state support and organization like the Nicean councils (as well as outside factors resulting in the decline of others, like the Church of The East). There were versions where Christ was just a man or just a god, where there two different gods, or seven, or hundreds, and all calling themselves "Christianity" (got that from a good askhistorians thread). A quite strange and eclectic one of these, Gnosticism, had ideas get into Manichaeism that made it to China, and still survives in bits in pieces in Mandaeism, a small now ethnic religion in Iraq.
TFW an undercover communist becomes the leader of Q and a cadre of undercover communists support his rise to power and then they lead a guerilla war against the US in the name of "freedom" that becomes communism as things progress..... :fidel-cool:
Yes, societies in collapse consistently see a retreat into mysticism and/or snake oil salesmen
For example when the USSR was in terminal collapse there was an explosion in popularity of televangelists, faith healing, and miracle cures for illnesses
we've never seen an empire collapse with the level of sophisticated technological ability to control people's minds through propaganda etc as today. IT WILL BE WILD :brainworms: :a-guy:
Is it common for the population of decaying empires to go insane like this?
Yes, the Roman turn to early Christianity wasn't so much the cause of its collapse (as is often believed) but a symptom of institutional rot. In Judea, Jesus was one of hundreds of similar personalities starting up fringe cults in an explosion of messianic spiritualism around that time- his was just the breakout success
Right now the Q movements absolutely have the opportunity to create permanent offshoot religions from Evangelical Christianity, possibly with a new living prophet placed higher than Jesus
Tfw Jesus is the messiah but you think he was a lame messiah so you become a messiah also and lead your people in guerrilla warfare in the bar kokhba rebellion against the imperialist Roman forces and end up getting your people massacred and banned from the holy city
There were other cults that got huge too, what became Catholicism (ignoring the east west schism in the 11th century) just won out. For example the Mithraic Mysteries, and several other mystery religions (and outside the empire there was also Manichaeism which was the major competitor to Christianity and Islam in central Asia and Persia, and North Africa for a time, it by far was the biggest competitor, lasting in China till the 14th century. Augustine of Hippo famously converted from Manichaeism to Christianity. It was a syncretic religion, taking aspects of zoroastrianism, christianity, judaism, and Buddhism I think. It revered Zoroaster, the buddha, and Jesus as prophets. Really interesting in that Zoroastrianism also as a base used the same myths as the Rigveda). Christianity was just rather special in the empire in that it was centered more on common practice and salvation than the mystery cults. However it's important to remember that there were many varieties of Christianity super different from one another vying for mass support, and what became catholicism won out via state support and organization like the Nicean councils (as well as outside factors resulting in the decline of others, like the Church of The East). There were versions where Christ was just a man or just a god, where there two different gods, or seven, or hundreds, and all calling themselves "Christianity" (got that from a good askhistorians thread). A quite strange and eclectic one of these, Gnosticism, had ideas get into Manichaeism that made it to China, and still survives in bits in pieces in Mandaeism, a small now ethnic religion in Iraq.
pls link
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1gaoyo/was_mithraism_a_rival_to_early_christianity_what/ good one on Mithraism.
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:matt: base superstructure
TFW an undercover communist becomes the leader of Q and a cadre of undercover communists support his rise to power and then they lead a guerilla war against the US in the name of "freedom" that becomes communism as things progress..... :fidel-cool:
Yes, societies in collapse consistently see a retreat into mysticism and/or snake oil salesmen
For example when the USSR was in terminal collapse there was an explosion in popularity of televangelists, faith healing, and miracle cures for illnesses
But that's been going on here since the 80s
But that means
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So how long will it be until the evil empire keels over and turns into a clusterfuck of ridiculously liberal and/or fash statelets?
We'll have a Revolt of the Colonels before that happens
yes
we've never seen an empire collapse with the level of sophisticated technological ability to control people's minds through propaganda etc as today. IT WILL BE WILD :brainworms: :a-guy: