• Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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      3 years ago

      God, stop playing dumb, asshole. That style isn't effeminate and if it were banned it wouldn't be on the explicit grounds that it's effeminate. You know damn well that it's not comparable.

      • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah, but the whole point is that if in China, effeminacy isn't associated with LGBT men, then calling this homophobic on the grounds specifically that it's anti-effeminate is imposing your own cultural standards on China.

        In my hypothetical we'd be banning promotion of a style associated with privileged rich straight guys, which is exactly what's happening in reality in China.

        Even though you said "regardless of whether or not the style is associated with same-sex attraction" you're obviously implicitly treating it as self evident that effeminacy is associated with gay men and not straight men.

          • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Having read your more drawn out explanation, you're absolutely right that this could be harmful to trans and NB people.

            Sorry I didn't pick up on your meaning before, or think of this myself.

        • FidelCastro [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          You communicated this effectively and your point on gender expression varying across cultures is an important one.

          A major point I’ve seen made is that the specific aesthetic they mentioned is associated with plastic surgery, specifically the 双眼皮 (“double eyelid”) surgery, which is done to make people look more “western” (eg white). It was unsurprisingly popularized in occupied South Korea.