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  • emizeko [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    im sorry but esperanto is for fucking weirdos based on a liberal fantasy that language barriers, not material conditions, are the cause of conflict. learn a living language

    • fed [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      language barriers are a barrier to solidarity, especially within countries/reigons

      • carbohydra [des/pair]
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        3 years ago

        It's a pretty bad way since it was only based on European languages. Also it uses gender.

          • carbohydra [des/pair]
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            3 years ago

            If the purpose is to "foster friendship among peoples, international cooperation and unity of human kind" then it is indeed bad to center it in the imperial core

            • fed [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              just because a language originates from a region does not mean it, in any conceivable way, supports that reigon. As the article states Esperanto has been in China for over a century and if it helps the various ethnicities of China communicate and understand each others struggles I don’t see how that supports European imperialism

              • carbohydra [des/pair]
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                3 years ago

                I don't mean that it originates in Europe, i mean that it was deliberately constructed from European languages to make it easier for Europeans to learn. If company managers from China can communicate with company managers from the UK, but not a prole with a fellow prole in the neighboring province, it doesn't deliver on the promise.

                Would you for example support the EU standardizing Mandarin? Would that make it easier for people of different European ethnicities to understand each other's struggles, than standardizing something relevant like Latin?

                • fed [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  the point of a global language is that it is easy to learn for most everyone, which, from the anecdotes of many native mandarin/Japanese speakers, Esperanto is.

                  but not a prole with a fellow prole in the neighboring province, it

                  yes it is. it is far easier for a Portuguese speaker and a mandarin speaker to both learn and then communicate in Esperanto than it is for one to learn mandarin or verse vica.

                  And no because mandarin is wildly excepted as a hard language to learn, Esperanto is not, even for non western speakers.

                  e: also a majority of the world speaks a form of European language as a result of colonialism, Arabic/mandarin concepts are not as easily learned and picked up by European speakers, where as Esperanto is far easier for non European speakers to use than than for European speakers to learn non western language concepts. So if you want to make a world language you should use the one that is exceptionally easy to learn for most people, and harder, but still far easier than other common languages for non western speakers

                  • carbohydra [des/pair]
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                    3 years ago

                    Languages are only "easy to learn" to the extent that they are similar to a language the learner already knows. Anecdotal evidence comes from Esperantists who I am going to assume already know either English, French or similar (all of which admittedly have more complicated and irregular features than Esperanto). E.g. Japanese-only speakers would usually have an easier time learning Korean since the grammar is basically the same.

                    edit: your edit is interesting since knowing a colonial language is often a class divide

              • carbohydra [des/pair]
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                3 years ago

                I tried learning it for a while and to me it didn't seem Slavic at all, there was no weird sounds and no convoluted case systems. To me it was Spicy Latin

                What classes in the global south promote it?

                  • carbohydra [des/pair]
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                    3 years ago

                    Ideally, workers would be unable to communicate with each other, while the capitalists should be able to communicate freely, secretly and easily. This was all happening during times of nationalist wars too right?

                • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  In my one lesson with esperanto I thought it was distinctly Slavic. My source is my terrible knowledge of Russian.

      • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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        3 years ago

        I learned it a long time ago bc i read it made language acquisition easier. I can’t speak for everyone but it definitely seemed to help me, I tried learning Spanish and Italian before Learning Esperanto with little to no success but picked up Spanish relatively easy after spending some time with Esperanto.