Like pine OS? I love Linux but I don't hate myself enough to try to DIY arch onto my phone hardware, I've already sunk enough hours into getting video and audio working on my desktop
Yeah, I'd like to see a phone come with linux pre-installed by the manufacturer. It's one thing to change over a PC, but I'm certainly not technically skilled enough for a phone
sunk enough hours into getting video and audio working on my desktop
What’s your hardware setup like? Between the archinstall script, ALSA drivers being good finally, and AMD hardware working brilliantly with mesa, sound and video has pretty much worked out of the box for years. Unless you’re using an Nvidia card. Then you’re SOL
There's plently of open source mods of android that let you sideload as much google apps as you need. LineageOS is the most popular and stable by a long shot.
Works fairly out of the box, except for the whole part of flashing onto the phone in the first place.
Looks like another fad OS that's "focused on privacy". I can't find a list of what phones they support. It just says, "pixel 3 or newer", which makes me suspect it only supports pixels.
If Huawei keeps making phones in some form, it seems like they would be a good option. Sure, they aren't officially doing business in the US, but it's not too difficult to get one unlocked. HarmonyOS seems promising and will likely be a good option for avoiding US companies/government. They're also a worker owned company, which is neat.
As someone that's used Huawei phones in the past, they're not great. Still plagued with most of the issues modern smartphones have. Shitty updates and support unless you bought the flagship model, EMUI is a pile of nonsense compared to almost everything else, stock android is much better, and even Samsung has a better UI. Locked bootloader because reasons. Unfortunately it's not good
It is planned obsolescence, but to be more specific it’s mostly the batteries. They just go to shit after ~500 charges. Nobody is willing to make a phone that sacrifices battery capacity for lifespan (by limiting charge to the 20-90% range you can extend the life of the battery, operating outside of that is stressful for battery chemistry) or teach consumers how to maximize lifespan (most people don’t want to babysit their batteries like that and enjoy all the bells and whistles of fancy UI animations and always-on connections and apps).
Plus increases in computing power almost all go straight to doing more stuff, faster, instead of doing the same amount of stuff at the same speed but more efficiently. We absolutely could have phones that stay alive for a week, they’d just be as powerful as phones from 2013. Granted they’d remain useful for a decade since it would take 5-7x as long to hit that 500 charge mark, so perhaps software improvements could keep performance up.
I think this is why manufacturers are charging more for phones these days, they see the writing on the wall. People are keeping their phones longer, and trying to fix them instead of just buying a new one. Fewer phones sold, but at a higher margin for each sale.
100% would replace my phone with one of these if it was an option. I remember keeping my Droid 4 alive by swapping to fresh batteries for years after they stopped updating it until even the texting app was unusably slow because of how much I loved the keyboard on it.
Nobody is willing to make a phone that sacrifices battery capacity for lifespan (by limiting charge to the 20-90% range)
My Asus Zenfone 3(?) hand this implemented as a settings option.
Also this whole battery problem could be solved by selling new batteries, even those new squishy ones. My friend got a battery for his four year old phone changed at a repair shop but it ended up barely any better than his old battery. It's always the case for some reason...
At the end of the day, it's just a product they want to sell in order to grow and obtain the skills for domestic ARM chip manufacturing. And for that, it's a massive success. And it's not as if the phones are terrible or anything, they're just another smartphone, with all the issues that they have
I mean, sure, there could be backdoors in the system firmware and bootloader code, but you absolutely can purge Google from userspace by installing CalyxOS or GrapheneOS
Imagine owning an iPhone. Jesus.
When your phone options are currently hardware company vs advertising company
I wish there was a good option for smart phones
Same, it'd be cool to see pine phone or something take off , or like Huawei or Xiaomi come up with their own phone OS
Why do that when there are perfectly good linux distros to fork?
postmarketOS will be usable as a daily driver one of these days
Like pine OS? I love Linux but I don't hate myself enough to try to DIY arch onto my phone hardware, I've already sunk enough hours into getting video and audio working on my desktop
Yeah, I'd like to see a phone come with linux pre-installed by the manufacturer. It's one thing to change over a PC, but I'm certainly not technically skilled enough for a phone
What’s your hardware setup like? Between the
archinstallscript, ALSA drivers being good finally, and AMD hardware working brilliantly with mesa, sound and video has pretty much worked out of the box for years. Unless you’re using an Nvidia card. Then you’re SOLThere's plently of open source mods of android that let you sideload as much google apps as you need. LineageOS is the most popular and stable by a long shot.
Works fairly out of the box, except for the whole part of flashing onto the phone in the first place.
Lineage doesnt allow you to lock the bootloader tho. Calyx is the new cool kid iirc
Looks like another fad OS that's "focused on privacy". I can't find a list of what phones they support. It just says, "pixel 3 or newer", which makes me suspect it only supports pixels.
https://calyxos.org/get/download/ That has supported devices, yes its mostly pixels.
If Huawei keeps making phones in some form, it seems like they would be a good option. Sure, they aren't officially doing business in the US, but it's not too difficult to get one unlocked. HarmonyOS seems promising and will likely be a good option for avoiding US companies/government. They're also a worker owned company, which is neat.
Use Honor brand if you want a Huawei-like experience that still has android and can still be sold in the US
I had an Honor for a while, good brand. Not perfect (nothing can be) but was still more than good enough
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this but unironically
Wish I could get a Huawei product in this shithole country
As someone that's used Huawei phones in the past, they're not great. Still plagued with most of the issues modern smartphones have. Shitty updates and support unless you bought the flagship model, EMUI is a pile of nonsense compared to almost everything else, stock android is much better, and even Samsung has a better UI. Locked bootloader because reasons. Unfortunately it's not good
I just don't understand in 2021 why no one seems capable of making a decent smartphone that doesn't crap out after a couple of years.
Probably planned obsolescence.
It is planned obsolescence, but to be more specific it’s mostly the batteries. They just go to shit after ~500 charges. Nobody is willing to make a phone that sacrifices battery capacity for lifespan (by limiting charge to the 20-90% range you can extend the life of the battery, operating outside of that is stressful for battery chemistry) or teach consumers how to maximize lifespan (most people don’t want to babysit their batteries like that and enjoy all the bells and whistles of fancy UI animations and always-on connections and apps).
Plus increases in computing power almost all go straight to doing more stuff, faster, instead of doing the same amount of stuff at the same speed but more efficiently. We absolutely could have phones that stay alive for a week, they’d just be as powerful as phones from 2013. Granted they’d remain useful for a decade since it would take 5-7x as long to hit that 500 charge mark, so perhaps software improvements could keep performance up.
I think this is why manufacturers are charging more for phones these days, they see the writing on the wall. People are keeping their phones longer, and trying to fix them instead of just buying a new one. Fewer phones sold, but at a higher margin for each sale.
TAKE MY FUXKING MONEY
100% would replace my phone with one of these if it was an option. I remember keeping my Droid 4 alive by swapping to fresh batteries for years after they stopped updating it until even the texting app was unusably slow because of how much I loved the keyboard on it.
Wait so just to be clear, taking my phone off the charger at 90% and not letting it hit 20% would improve longevity of the battery?
Yes, battery chemistry is more stressed at either extreme. Keeping it out of those extremes prolongs its life and helps to avoid risk of fire.
you can replace your own battery for pretty cheap these days. just buy the repair tool kit and the battery. just did mine for $20.
My Asus Zenfone 3(?) hand this implemented as a settings option.
Also this whole battery problem could be solved by selling new batteries, even those new squishy ones. My friend got a battery for his four year old phone changed at a repair shop but it ended up barely any better than his old battery. It's always the case for some reason...
At the end of the day, it's just a product they want to sell in order to grow and obtain the skills for domestic ARM chip manufacturing. And for that, it's a massive success. And it's not as if the phones are terrible or anything, they're just another smartphone, with all the issues that they have
you can replace your own battery for pretty cheap these days. just buy the repair tool kit and the battery. just did mine for $20.
You can still buy JuanPlusJuan phones
I don't know what that is
https://swappa.com/catalog/brand/oneplus
when Chinese people have been making better phones than Americans since 2014
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Can't you get them pretty easily through Chinese sites like, Aliexpress, Taobao, etc.?
Yes I think so. But if the price looks too good to be true, it is not a real Huawei. Beware "Alibaba and the 40 thieves", after all.
Imagine owning a Google phone. Jesus.
tbf Pixels are about the only Android devices left where you can completely remove Google’s integration
"Completely"
I mean, sure, there could be backdoors in the system firmware and bootloader code, but you absolutely can purge Google from userspace by installing CalyxOS or GrapheneOS
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Couldn't be Xiao-me :big-cool:
Just kidding, I just wanted to make the pun.
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