The Democrats already go out of their why to impress Republicans bringing people like Powell and Kasich over while snubbing progressives. They take the progressive vote for granted and move hard to the right. Should Biden win there is a real chance that the republican establishment will denounce Trump and will work with Biden to "increase unity and heal the wounds Trump caused", but actually just to continue to wield power. Internally this means only the foulest compromise passing, the county being governed by a giant center-conservative coalition against the left and a few reactionary Trump loyalists. Externally China is the perfect boogyman to unite over. An empire of evil that only a united America that is true to it's roots can overcome. China is a legitimate threat to American conservatism because they show that regular "free" individualist capitalism is inferior to a collective state capitalism. They still manage to increase their populations living standards and build great infrastructure something the west has been incapable of for more or less half a century. Biden has already said that he will not be as "soft" as Trump on "dictators" and will be tough on North Korea, Venezuela, Russia (of course) and China. The democrats don't see the republicans as an enemy to be beaten to the point of no revovery, but an estranged partner, who must be brought to it's senses. For a German like me Trump might be the harm reduction candidate bringing America down faster while Biden might pull our conservative government into suppoerting another war.

You really need other venues than electoralism, like desperatly.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This lines up with my take. Whether it's realistic or not, the Dems seem to be angling for a soft coup of the GOP, taking over the "respectable conservative" position to create a purple hell blob. It might not work, but that seems to be their strategy. We'll run a right wing racist and a cop, hoover up all the right wing authoritarians put off by trump's behavior, and secure an iron grip on power that will allow us to crush any challenge from the left or the extreme right?

    Idk, scares the shit out of me.

      • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Sanders starts a new party that runs up the left picking up blue-collar union workers, young people, Latino/a voters, etc, and Republicans go the way of the Whigs.

        As nice as this would be, I don't think Sanders would advocate for something like this if he doesn't even want to run against Biden after getting the most support he ever will in his lifetime. As for the rest of the succdem progressives (and associated groups like MoveOn, Justice Democrats, DSA National), they likely will try to #resist within the democratic party since they're not actually revolutionary or insurgent or whatever, but instead they know their funding streams and platform are more guaranteed if they are still called democrats to the general public (otherwise machine politics will easily conspire to freeze them out completely).

        Since modern American political parties are nothing but fundraising mechanism with vague ideologies attached that people don't really give a shit about.

          • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I get what you mean, but I still don't think it's going to happen.

            Democrats and republicans are very willing to quash any sort of national insurgent energy via electioneering and how K street fundraising works. It's just not that easy for a national party to form in opposition to the two major parties (just look at every outside challenger from Debs to Nader to Stein etc).

            The only way I can see this happening is if left-leaning candidates who superficially align with a major party begin running for super local offices (state congress, city council, etc) where there still seems to be less pushback against unknown candidates, lower fundraising thresholds for running a campaign, more measurable gains for communities, less chance for negative press due to lower exposure. Basically pack local governments with insurgent left politicians from the communities they serve and move municipalities and eventually states left and bulwark them against the worst effects of capitalism/fascism/imperialism.

            That's an electoral strategy that could work.

              • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Right, which is why they would have to align with the democrats/republicans (in name only) to get on the ballot, but then implement policies that are leftist/left-leaning and responsive to their communities.

                  • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    Hey no worries, it's a bullshit byzantine process, and even trying to simplify the 12D chess involved is a headfuck

                      • s_p_l_o_d_e [they/them,he/him]
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                        4 years ago

                        Fair, capital will always stand in the way of left progress, especially for candidates. But with small races it's more possible (but still hard) since it doesn't need the level of funding or personpower as larger federal positions/national races.

    • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Bidenism is essentially a consolidation of most segments of domestic Bourgeois interests against a minority faction within the Bourgeoisie. The hard right seems to represent the interests of heavy industry like resource extraction, manufacturing, construction etc, while the Dems represent the service sector and light industry. Much of that second group was previously divided among centrist republicans and democrats, but Trump has basically told those republicans to fuck off unless they're 100% on board. Dems are likely going to be a party of Bourgeois Unity and the GOP will become more overtly fascist as they replace the lost influence from party-defecting Bourgeoisie with a disgruntled Petit Bourgeois, who will be more reactionary.