Defend China. How is it currently socialist?

Some things to respond to (the gatcha questions):

The rapid expansion of capital, foreign and local, and the reemergence of capital accumulation as a production goal in the end of the 20th century

The existence of megacorporations, especially private megacorporations such as tencent and foxconn

the state of labor rights in the aforementioned megacorporations, and the state of labor rights in the industrial sector as a whole

The repression of marxist and leftist protest and critique of the current state of the system

The apparent lack of repression of non-leftist critique (I could easily be convinced that this is just because they're amplified by American media)

The great firewall (I could be convinced this is protectionism to avoid Western silicon valley capitalism's supremacy on the internet)

The social credit system

idk i guess talk about the Uyghurs if you want, but I don't really want that to become the entire discussion, as it has a tendency to be, so if you talk about that, don't make it the entirety of your defense or attack

and let's try to keep this relatively civil? Like, a random post and argument between some leftists on the internet isn't actually going to like, collapse china's rising economic and political power into nothing. We can't actually do shit about china, good or not, so try not to make this a flame war?

  • ComradeNagual [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    How is it currently socialist?

    It materially has lifted millions out of poverty and raised their living standards. It supports other socialist states like the DPRK and Cuba. It doesn't have to conform to what leftcoms/trots think is socialist.

    The rapid expansion of capital, foreign and local

    Necessary to not be isolated like the Soviet Union was, considering who still up, it worked.

    The existence of megacorporations

    Ultimately controlled by the Party

    such as tencent and foxconn

    Foxconn is from Taiwan. Tencent made WeChat, it has served its purpose.

    The repression of marxist and leftist protest and critique

    Democratic Centralism means the critique needs to go through appropiate channels. In a state of that size its understandable.

    this is just because they’re amplified by American media)

    You answered that one yourself.

    (I could be convinced this is protectionism to avoid Western silicon valley capitalism’s supremacy on the internet)

    Also answered that one yourself, also they have been proven right, they have kept a lid on Covid-19 desinformation while it has thrived in "unregulated markets".

    The social credit system

    Incentive for good behavior that doesn't involve physical policing or cohersion, innovative and effective I'd say.

    idk i guess talk about the Uyghurs

    Humane way of dealing with Western-funded terrorism

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2019-12-05/Fighting-terrorism-in-Xinjiang-MaNLLDtnfq/index.html

    and let’s try to keep this relatively civil?

    Oh I want to be sectarian but pls be nice to me?

    Like, a random post and argument between some leftists

    There is no Anti-communist Left.

    We can’t actually do shit about china, good or not

    Not spread lies and attack them for instance, there are certainly things that can be done.