Defend China. How is it currently socialist?

Some things to respond to (the gatcha questions):

The rapid expansion of capital, foreign and local, and the reemergence of capital accumulation as a production goal in the end of the 20th century

The existence of megacorporations, especially private megacorporations such as tencent and foxconn

the state of labor rights in the aforementioned megacorporations, and the state of labor rights in the industrial sector as a whole

The repression of marxist and leftist protest and critique of the current state of the system

The apparent lack of repression of non-leftist critique (I could easily be convinced that this is just because they're amplified by American media)

The great firewall (I could be convinced this is protectionism to avoid Western silicon valley capitalism's supremacy on the internet)

The social credit system

idk i guess talk about the Uyghurs if you want, but I don't really want that to become the entire discussion, as it has a tendency to be, so if you talk about that, don't make it the entirety of your defense or attack

and let's try to keep this relatively civil? Like, a random post and argument between some leftists on the internet isn't actually going to like, collapse china's rising economic and political power into nothing. We can't actually do shit about china, good or not, so try not to make this a flame war?

  • Owl [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I'm pretty skeptical of China's version of socialism for the same reasons you are. But I think it's important to anchor that - at worst they're about as authoritarian as the US is, while being far less imperialistic, while raising a billion people out of poverty.

    Do I think the CCP will actually step down when conditions are right for Communism? Hell no. Human organizations just don't relinquish power like that. But on the other hand they're running headlong into the conditions for an actual worker-lead movement to seize power. And if they get there after a general strike, that's still getting there.