You have yet to actually make any real attempt to contend with the idea that you don’t know what communism is.
Again, there are many flavors of communism. Communism isn't just one thing. And everyone can have their own idea of what it "is".
In my view, it is a stateless society free from hierarchy, in which everyone's needs are met, through nonviolence if possible.
little attempts at gotcha questions
Again, your interpretation of this tells me more about you than it does anything else. I am doing nothing of the sort.
You are clearly unfamiliar with how we treat trolls.
I know exactly how we treat trolls, and that's why I never expected ME to be treated as one. Because I WAS acting in good faith, and I WAS asking questions and engaging in the conversation, rather than trolling and insulting.
Knowing things before having and sharing opinions is etiquette?
Honestly, in my experience, etiquette is not treating people like shit. But that's just me.
you just roll into the convo with your ML buds with, “Yeah, China sucks. They’re red-fash. Fuck fascists.” Nobody pushes back or ignores you
Again, I'm 40 years old. I don't have time to "hang out" with people. I have a kid in little league. I have a job. I have my wife's bake shop to help out with. I have shit to take care of. I have reality to deal with. I don't have time to "shoot the shit with my marxist buddies." I don't HAVE any Marxist buddies. If I do have "free time" to "hang out" with anyone, it's with family or my two closest friends from way back, who I love, but who I don't talk politics with, for the most part. Most of the family are actually conservatives or centrist/liberals. They're not bad people. They don't mean anyone any harm, nor do their actions contain any malice. Of my two best friends, one is a conservative and the other is a liberal. They're good people. They're my friends.
That's why I thought Hexbear would be cool. To actually get to talk politics with people who know what they're talking about, and learn more. Maybe MAKE some friendships with other like-minded individuals.
You don’t even know what the word communist references in its different senses
How can you honestly say this? What do you want me to do? Copy/paste shit? Is this some sort of test? Jesus.
This is LITERALLY why I've said that there are different "flavors" of communism. Because the basics of communism - a stateless society in which goods and services are distributed equitably to each according to their needs - is a given. It should be obvious.
Unless I'm wrong? Is that NOT the definition of communism?
If I answer your question or point, you actually contend with it rather than deflecting.
I am 100% on board with that. Are you ready to do that? Or do you just want to keep "dunking" on me?
Again, there are many flavors of communism. Communism isn’t just one thing. And everyone can have their own idea of what it “is”.
Again, you are so ignorant of what I'm talking about that... you don't even know what my criticism is. Rather than ask right off the bat, you're making excuses. This is pissbaby behavior, so I call you a pissbaby when you do it.
In my view, it is a stateless society free from hierarchy, in which everyone’s needs are met, through nonviolence if possible.
I don't care about your view. Like I said, this isn't like picking out your favorite car color. I cannot tell you how disinterested I am in your personal journey of discovery.
Again, your interpretation of this tells me more about you than it does anything else. I am doing nothing of the sort.
Please stop lying. You'd very much like to believe that you're not like that, but guess what: you fucking are. Remember this? "So what you’re saying is that once I read all of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao then I’ll be converted to your faith/philosophy?"
Now I get to play the game of "what kind of R*dditor toxicity am I going to get next?" Will it be doubling down on the "very real" question? Will it be bailing on that one claim and pretending there's no trend, that you cannot remember your own actions and refuse to review them, but you're still a good boy so there's no way you've been dishonest? lol
This is the kind of shit you need to get over in order to demonstrate humility. Blanket denials of things everyone can see will not help you.
I know exactly how we treat trolls
I know exactly how we treat trolls, and that’s why I never expected ME to be treated as one. Because I WAS acting in good faith, and I WAS asking questions and engaging in the conversation, rather than trolling and insulting.
"So what you’re saying is that once I read all of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao then I’ll be converted to your faith/philosophy?"
lol. Remind me what this was in response to.
Honestly, in my experience, etiquette is not treating people like shit. But that’s just me.
You seem to want to have a conversation about the semantics of etiquette. The only question I have is :whywhywhywhywhy:
Again, I’m 40 years old. I don’t have time to “hang out” with people. I have a kid in little league. I have a job. (...)
I don't care because this is not a defense for lying to me about how you just want to ask questions and learn and have this stupid-ass pity party when called out on your bad faith behavior.
You know that acting like that will stir shit. Stop pretending to be incompetent just to avoid admitting you were wrong about something. That is pissbaby shit.
That’s why I thought Hexbear would be cool.
I do not care if you think this site is cool, :LIB:
How can you honestly say this? What do you want me to do? Copy/paste shit? Is this some sort of test? Jesus.
Well you got it wrong and people called you out. What do you think should happen when someone starts flinging shit, is wrong, and this is pointed out? Let's add on top that they're extremely defensive and deflect from every criticism.
You seem surprised by this very unsurprising thing. You're 40?
This is LITERALLY why I’ve said that there are different “flavors” of communism.
Hmm, should I start keeping count on how many times I need to tell you that you don't even know what I'm referring to? Stop flailing around in the dark and just be a normal humble person, then ask the question. Or actually, let me catch myself: I've actually given you this task as homework because it's fucking simple to figure out if you actually are curious about it rather than jerking yourself off to "red fash tankies" shit.
I am 100% on board with that. Are you ready to do that? Or do you just want to keep “dunking” on me?
You have to exhibit humility first - acknowledge the specific problems I've pointed out re: bad faith interactions and then cut that shit out going forward. I will not teach you things if your responses are going to be baby-ass gotcha questions and deflection and pity parties.
you are so ignorant of what I’m talking about that… you don’t even know what my criticism is.
Ok, rather than abuse me like an asshole, how about you fucking enlighten me, genius? Maybe you'll win a comrade! Or, you could continue to be an asshole. That's always an option, I guess. It doesn't help our cause, but hey.
“So what you’re saying is that once I read all of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao then I’ll be converted to your faith/philosophy?”
I guess you misinterpreted that semi-snarky question. I admit it was snarky. But I thought the meaning was obvious. Here it is in a less-hostile format:
Do you think that once I have read all the books you've read, that I will believe the same things you will? Or am I still going to be free to have my own interpretation and opinions on those things?
Please stop lying.
Again, what do you think I'm lying about?
to avoid admitting you were wrong about something
What was I wrong about??
Let’s add on top that they’re extremely defensive and deflect from every criticism.
Which "criticism" have I deflected from? The ones where you call me "lib" or the ones where you call me "pissbaby" or the ones where you belittle me? Because I'm having a hard time keeping up. I must just be stupid, I guess.
Ok, rather than abuse me like an asshole, how about you fucking enlighten me, genius? Maybe you’ll win a comrade!
Oh? I thought you were one of us? Wouldn't you already be a comrade, :LIB:?
And no, the abuse will continue so long as you act in bad faith. I will not be teaching you things until you cease acting in bad faith and take actual corrective action.
Or, you could continue to be an asshole. That’s always an option, I guess. It doesn’t help our cause, but hey.
Hard disagree. It is clear that you have a lot of bad R*dditor habits and will not move past them until you have an actual reckoning. So far, you absolutely haven't done so. Catering to your toxicity and wrecker shit will not lead you to a better place, it will lead you to continue ignoring it.
I guess you misinterpreted that semi-snarky question. I admit it was snarky. But I thought the meaning was obvious.
No, I understood it perfectly as a means of deflecting from what I said. I don't care that it was snarky, I care that it was a pissbaby attempt to avoid my point. I told you to go review what you were responding to, but you don't seem to have done so.
Because your pissbaby ways make it so that you have to avoid the things I say, I will remind you: "You have yet to shed the arrogance of having and sharing opinions about things you’ve never read about."
I was pointing out that you continue to possess and share strong opinions about shit you don't understand, and that's the problem here. Your response to that was to reject this possibility out of hand by suggesting a straw man: that you need to go learn a bunch of esoteric theory and oh that's just so unfair why would anyone expect that of you!? Of course, I've never suggested anything remotely like that: simply that you don't share strong opinions on shit you don't understand. If you think a topic is too complex or lengthy for you to actually read up and understand it, then you can just not have an opinion. I know that this is insanity for :LIB: self-absorption, but no, you actually don't need to have opinions about everything, particularly what you don't understand, let alone log on and share them with other ignorants.
Again, what do you think I’m lying about?
I told you already. Go look it up.
What was I wrong about??
See above.
Which “criticism” have I deflected from?
I would wager all of them. Your idea of humility has been to declare that you don't know everything and that you make mistakes, lol.
The ones where you call me “lib” or the ones where you call me “pissbaby” or the ones where you belittle me? Because I’m having a hard time keeping up. I must just be stupid, I guess.
Nope, I don't think you're stupid. I think you're so averse to any actual self-crit that (1) you deflect criticisms, confusing yourself about what we're talking about and (2) have zero interest in putting in the work to reconstruct a conversation full of your deflections, so you just leave it up to me to repeat myself for the eighth time (so that you can deflect again).
Again, there are many flavors of communism. Communism isn't just one thing. And everyone can have their own idea of what it "is".
In my view, it is a stateless society free from hierarchy, in which everyone's needs are met, through nonviolence if possible.
Again, your interpretation of this tells me more about you than it does anything else. I am doing nothing of the sort.
I know exactly how we treat trolls, and that's why I never expected ME to be treated as one. Because I WAS acting in good faith, and I WAS asking questions and engaging in the conversation, rather than trolling and insulting.
Honestly, in my experience, etiquette is not treating people like shit. But that's just me.
Again, I'm 40 years old. I don't have time to "hang out" with people. I have a kid in little league. I have a job. I have my wife's bake shop to help out with. I have shit to take care of. I have reality to deal with. I don't have time to "shoot the shit with my marxist buddies." I don't HAVE any Marxist buddies. If I do have "free time" to "hang out" with anyone, it's with family or my two closest friends from way back, who I love, but who I don't talk politics with, for the most part. Most of the family are actually conservatives or centrist/liberals. They're not bad people. They don't mean anyone any harm, nor do their actions contain any malice. Of my two best friends, one is a conservative and the other is a liberal. They're good people. They're my friends.
That's why I thought Hexbear would be cool. To actually get to talk politics with people who know what they're talking about, and learn more. Maybe MAKE some friendships with other like-minded individuals.
How can you honestly say this? What do you want me to do? Copy/paste shit? Is this some sort of test? Jesus.
This is LITERALLY why I've said that there are different "flavors" of communism. Because the basics of communism - a stateless society in which goods and services are distributed equitably to each according to their needs - is a given. It should be obvious.
Unless I'm wrong? Is that NOT the definition of communism?
I am 100% on board with that. Are you ready to do that? Or do you just want to keep "dunking" on me?
Again, you are so ignorant of what I'm talking about that... you don't even know what my criticism is. Rather than ask right off the bat, you're making excuses. This is pissbaby behavior, so I call you a pissbaby when you do it.
I don't care about your view. Like I said, this isn't like picking out your favorite car color. I cannot tell you how disinterested I am in your personal journey of discovery.
Please stop lying. You'd very much like to believe that you're not like that, but guess what: you fucking are. Remember this? "So what you’re saying is that once I read all of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao then I’ll be converted to your faith/philosophy?"
Now I get to play the game of "what kind of R*dditor toxicity am I going to get next?" Will it be doubling down on the "very real" question? Will it be bailing on that one claim and pretending there's no trend, that you cannot remember your own actions and refuse to review them, but you're still a good boy so there's no way you've been dishonest? lol
This is the kind of shit you need to get over in order to demonstrate humility. Blanket denials of things everyone can see will not help you.
I know exactly how we treat trolls, and that’s why I never expected ME to be treated as one. Because I WAS acting in good faith, and I WAS asking questions and engaging in the conversation, rather than trolling and insulting.
"So what you’re saying is that once I read all of Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao then I’ll be converted to your faith/philosophy?"
lol. Remind me what this was in response to.
You seem to want to have a conversation about the semantics of etiquette. The only question I have is :whywhywhywhywhy:
I don't care because this is not a defense for lying to me about how you just want to ask questions and learn and have this stupid-ass pity party when called out on your bad faith behavior.
You know that acting like that will stir shit. Stop pretending to be incompetent just to avoid admitting you were wrong about something. That is pissbaby shit.
I do not care if you think this site is cool, :LIB:
Well you got it wrong and people called you out. What do you think should happen when someone starts flinging shit, is wrong, and this is pointed out? Let's add on top that they're extremely defensive and deflect from every criticism.
You seem surprised by this very unsurprising thing. You're 40?
Hmm, should I start keeping count on how many times I need to tell you that you don't even know what I'm referring to? Stop flailing around in the dark and just be a normal humble person, then ask the question. Or actually, let me catch myself: I've actually given you this task as homework because it's fucking simple to figure out if you actually are curious about it rather than jerking yourself off to "red fash tankies" shit.
You have to exhibit humility first - acknowledge the specific problems I've pointed out re: bad faith interactions and then cut that shit out going forward. I will not teach you things if your responses are going to be baby-ass gotcha questions and deflection and pity parties.
Ok, rather than abuse me like an asshole, how about you fucking enlighten me, genius? Maybe you'll win a comrade! Or, you could continue to be an asshole. That's always an option, I guess. It doesn't help our cause, but hey.
I guess you misinterpreted that semi-snarky question. I admit it was snarky. But I thought the meaning was obvious. Here it is in a less-hostile format:
Do you think that once I have read all the books you've read, that I will believe the same things you will? Or am I still going to be free to have my own interpretation and opinions on those things?
Again, what do you think I'm lying about?
What was I wrong about??
Which "criticism" have I deflected from? The ones where you call me "lib" or the ones where you call me "pissbaby" or the ones where you belittle me? Because I'm having a hard time keeping up. I must just be stupid, I guess.
Oh? I thought you were one of us? Wouldn't you already be a comrade, :LIB:?
And no, the abuse will continue so long as you act in bad faith. I will not be teaching you things until you cease acting in bad faith and take actual corrective action.
Hard disagree. It is clear that you have a lot of bad R*dditor habits and will not move past them until you have an actual reckoning. So far, you absolutely haven't done so. Catering to your toxicity and wrecker shit will not lead you to a better place, it will lead you to continue ignoring it.
No, I understood it perfectly as a means of deflecting from what I said. I don't care that it was snarky, I care that it was a pissbaby attempt to avoid my point. I told you to go review what you were responding to, but you don't seem to have done so.
Because your pissbaby ways make it so that you have to avoid the things I say, I will remind you: "You have yet to shed the arrogance of having and sharing opinions about things you’ve never read about."
I was pointing out that you continue to possess and share strong opinions about shit you don't understand, and that's the problem here. Your response to that was to reject this possibility out of hand by suggesting a straw man: that you need to go learn a bunch of esoteric theory and oh that's just so unfair why would anyone expect that of you!? Of course, I've never suggested anything remotely like that: simply that you don't share strong opinions on shit you don't understand. If you think a topic is too complex or lengthy for you to actually read up and understand it, then you can just not have an opinion. I know that this is insanity for :LIB: self-absorption, but no, you actually don't need to have opinions about everything, particularly what you don't understand, let alone log on and share them with other ignorants.
I told you already. Go look it up.
See above.
I would wager all of them. Your idea of humility has been to declare that you don't know everything and that you make mistakes, lol.
Nope, I don't think you're stupid. I think you're so averse to any actual self-crit that (1) you deflect criticisms, confusing yourself about what we're talking about and (2) have zero interest in putting in the work to reconstruct a conversation full of your deflections, so you just leave it up to me to repeat myself for the eighth time (so that you can deflect again).
What action would you have me take, sire?
It's a mystery!