I think you may be making some false assumptions here so I'd like to make it clear that nowhere in my comment did I condemn them for their decision or purport to know what is better for them.
As far as I can tell, nobody is arguing that Indigenous people must first be socialist before land is given back to them, although I now see how one could easily interpret it that way.
Sorry if I projected those people's opinions on your comment too much.
From what I've seen (because I've had similar discussions before) these people seem to be arguing exactly that and I honestly don't know how else to interpret it, it's just class reductionism. Like if they agree Indigenous people are oppressed and should have their land returned, why should Indigenous people have to wait until either the settler state becomes socialist or they somehow establish socialism on their own while still under the boot of the settler state? If these people don't agree Indigenous people should have their land returned, why? What assures that the settler colonial contradiction will be resolved through settler focused, class-only, socialism, y'know? It just gets frustrating seeing these types of people trying to use Marx and Lenin to justify their bad settler brains.
Yeah I've been trying to wrap my head around all this and I think the idea behind the criticism would be that socialists in the imperial core should put their efforts into seizing power and supporting "land back" efforts don't necessarily help with that (and in some cases it may even be harmful arguably). There's probably also some confusion where some instances of "land back" activity like that Bezos funded org in the US advocating for giving public land away are in capitalist interest whereas others are not.
I think you may be making some false assumptions here so I'd like to make it clear that nowhere in my comment did I condemn them for their decision or purport to know what is better for them.
As far as I can tell, nobody is arguing that Indigenous people must first be socialist before land is given back to them, although I now see how one could easily interpret it that way.
Sorry if I projected those people's opinions on your comment too much.
From what I've seen (because I've had similar discussions before) these people seem to be arguing exactly that and I honestly don't know how else to interpret it, it's just class reductionism. Like if they agree Indigenous people are oppressed and should have their land returned, why should Indigenous people have to wait until either the settler state becomes socialist or they somehow establish socialism on their own while still under the boot of the settler state? If these people don't agree Indigenous people should have their land returned, why? What assures that the settler colonial contradiction will be resolved through settler focused, class-only, socialism, y'know? It just gets frustrating seeing these types of people trying to use Marx and Lenin to justify their bad settler brains.
Yeah I've been trying to wrap my head around all this and I think the idea behind the criticism would be that socialists in the imperial core should put their efforts into seizing power and supporting "land back" efforts don't necessarily help with that (and in some cases it may even be harmful arguably). There's probably also some confusion where some instances of "land back" activity like that Bezos funded org in the US advocating for giving public land away are in capitalist interest whereas others are not.