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  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    No, he is still a worker.

    He is a well paid worker. And that morally obligates him to help his fellow wprkers in was he might ot migbt not have been. He is however not bourgeois.

    When he uses his stream money to pay others to stream for him, then underpays him then he is part of thr bourgeois doespite bwing s small one and potentially helping smaller leftist streamers

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      There is an argument to be made that he's petit bourgeois, as he buys others labour (video editors, moderators, social media managers, etc), while not owning the means of production

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        If twitch says so his career is gone. If I was a brave. Man I would look up the stuff about pesants and small free holders and the relations between them for the most direxrly aplicable analogy Howeevr I don't think I have the strngth in me to be that online today

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          If twitch says so his career is gone.

          Well yeah. Same for anyone that does not own the means of production. That's why I specified petit bourgeois.

          • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I see him as being more a peasant class wise. The troublesomw french kind that made organization difficult. I however do nor have it in em to show my work on this one. I can't remember what work discusses it and ai cant be bothered to look it up.

    • knipexcrunch [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      True! People need to understand money is not class. Even those athletes making $100,000,000 are still, technically, workers because they sell their labor. Now if they go open a clothing brand and make most of their money from owning that then they're no longer a worker. The highly paid athlete, while rich, stops getting paid if they stop working, where as the owner cutting their checks gets paid regardless of if they wake up that day.

      Class is determined by ownership, not income.

      And lastly, bourgeoisie can be class traitors and advocate for socialism, see Engels. Though they need to be scrutinized much more closely, it is still technically possible.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        This is a bit oversimplified though. Those that do earn a lot of money, like athletes, are able to purchase other people's labour due to earning so much money, even if they don't own the means of production. Hasan for instance, will employ people like video editors and moderators. Athletes will employ trainers, physiotherapists, etc. Due to their high income, and ability to use other's labour to further benefit them, their class interests are more likely to align with the people that own the means of production, even though they do not own it themselves.

        This isn't even considering the modern "PMC", I'm not mentioning it because there's a lot of disagreement there

        • knipexcrunch [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          "they are able to..." Yes, but if they don't then they're still workers. If you get paid a wage contingent on your labor, you're a worker. If you make money from scalping other peoples' labor, you're petite or bourgeoisie.

          As for PMC, if one isn't a manager that manages people that they decide to hire/fire, then they're not PMC. That phrase has been so butchered online.

          • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            People use it to mean professional media class and professional managerial class. Its stright iut the window now.