China just doubled down on classifying homosexuality as a mental illness. Perhaps "barbaric" was a strong term, but if a country's policy is that I'm a "diseased" person, they can fuck right off.
That doesn't mean anything. Meanwhile, I can still categorize the US penal system as barbaric, and we all understand what I mean. I don't know why Uganda/n*word even grants comparison.
That's true, but it wasn't meant as a direct equivalent. It was meant to point out that racism is not an acceptable response to bad policy, by example of a policy and a slur that are both much worse.
Whichever way you cut it calling anyone non-white barbarians is going to be about as successful as a lead balloon around here. Some understanding of the history of this word and its use in arguing that the Europe was "civilized" and everything else was barbarian in need of civilizing by the great white man would really help.
Allowing a textbook to say it is still bad, but yes, it's obviously not the same thing.
This entire discussion, though, is getting away from the racism of calling China "barbaric". We clearly cannot accept that kind of thing in criticisms of China.
To be fair and balanced, idk about gay people, but trans people in China are technically classified as mentally ill. You need to get a disability card if you want hormones.
Out of curiosity, would this feel more correct if there weren't the social stigma around mental illness? I understand calling the state of being trans as an illness to cure is wrong, but if we classified gender dysphoria as a mental illness to be cured, by means of gender affirmation, would that be fine? I'm just asking out of a want to understand the situation better, get an idea of what exactly is wrong here.
I mean... it's fair to criticise China for not blocking that textbook, but they're framing the actual content of the article dishonestly, and it doesn't justify the racism (unjustifiable, of course).
China just doubled down on classifying homosexuality as a mental illness. Perhaps "barbaric" was a strong term, but if a country's policy is that I'm a "diseased" person, they can fuck right off.
Actually, it was a racist term.
K, I'll be sure to just use "cruel" when talking about non-white nations.
Do some serious self-crit. You wouldn't call the Ugandan government the n-word for having reactionary policies.
That doesn't mean anything. Meanwhile, I can still categorize the US penal system as barbaric, and we all understand what I mean. I don't know why Uganda/n*word even grants comparison.
Calling historical victims of colonialism barbaric is racist. Calling historical perpetrators of colonialism barbaric is fine.
Your defense here is "I wouldn't be racist if I were calling white Americans barbaric".
True. I'm simply saying in no context is it okay to call something n-word.
That's true, but it wasn't meant as a direct equivalent. It was meant to point out that racism is not an acceptable response to bad policy, by example of a policy and a slur that are both much worse.
Whichever way you cut it calling anyone non-white barbarians is going to be about as successful as a lead balloon around here. Some understanding of the history of this word and its use in arguing that the Europe was "civilized" and everything else was barbarian in need of civilizing by the great white man would really help.
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Homosexuality can be called a mental disorder, Chinese court rules; LGBT community disappointed
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Allowing a textbook to say it is still bad, but yes, it's obviously not the same thing.
This entire discussion, though, is getting away from the racism of calling China "barbaric". We clearly cannot accept that kind of thing in criticisms of China.
To be fair and balanced, idk about gay people, but trans people in China are technically classified as mentally ill. You need to get a disability card if you want hormones.
Yeah, I'm aware of that, and it's obviously wrong and should be criticized. Hopefully they change the laws surrounding it.
However, there remains no justification for calling China "barbaric" - not that I think you're justifying it.
I agree
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Out of curiosity, would this feel more correct if there weren't the social stigma around mental illness? I understand calling the state of being trans as an illness to cure is wrong, but if we classified gender dysphoria as a mental illness to be cured, by means of gender affirmation, would that be fine? I'm just asking out of a want to understand the situation better, get an idea of what exactly is wrong here.
Thank u for carrying water for imperialists
I mean... it's fair to criticise China for not blocking that textbook, but they're framing the actual content of the article dishonestly, and it doesn't justify the racism (unjustifiable, of course).
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