Honestly this could be extended to just why are people online so obsessed with pedophilia, cause Q nerds are obsessed with that shit also. But I've worked with my local Food not Bombs chapter, I've worked with my local DSA chapter, I've worked with my local SRA chapter, I've never heard pedophilia come up doing any of those things. But then I get online and its pedo this Epstein that. I get Q nerds being obsessed with this shit cause they have no material analysis, so they have to create some Satan worshipping pedophile cult to criticize the ruling classes. But why is the online left so obsessed with this stuff?
I'm not against talking about this stuff, it just seems like it often tends towards lib conspiracy brain with no material analysis. Honestly, its one of the few connective tissues I still see between this place and places like redscarepod, stupidpol, some of the old fellow travelers of the chapo sub. My friend sends me these horrible twitter accounts that I can only imagine are what Red Scare listeners are like - ostensibly left, but really just reactionary garbage - and its ALL pedo shit.
Is it the effect of being terminally online and a lot of the online left being radicalized at the same time as the whole pizzagate thing? Because I feel like before 2016 the only people who would regularly talk about pedophilia were libertarians, and mostly just to try and say that they're not actually pedophiles.
Is it the influence of TrueAnon? I feel like this stuff rarely leaves the online sphere. I've never had an actual conversation about pedophilia in irl left spaces. whywhywhywhywhy is everyone so obsessed with pedophilia online?
My question wasn't really why are we agreeing with the populist right. I suppose my thinking was more like, we don't need these conspiracy theories to indict the capitalist class. We already have an ideological framework that so completely criticizes them that even if in their personal lives they were saints, we'd still have reason to oppose them, and then on top of that we have conspiracy theories which have been proven and we can point to documents or literally these people admitting this shit that prove us right. And so obviously when something as big as the whole Epstein thing happens we need to talk about it, we should talk about, and we should add it to our indictment of the capitalist class. And you're definitely right we shouldn't shy away from conspiracies that don't have overwhelming proof or those that Q heads happen to be into also. But it just seems too often (and granted, not on this site at all) that the whole pedophilia thing becomes the reason the capitalist class must be opposed. When like, it's not at all, it's only icing on the cake and just further reason to completely oppose the capitalist class, as if there weren't enough reasons already.
So in some online communities it just feels like it become a stumbling block, where it's like yes we must talk about pedophilia, but a Marxist critique of capitalism exists whether the capitalists are all engaging in pederasty or not. Or at least discuss how capitalism rewards the type of personality that would engage in pederasty. The base affecting the superstructure, or something, I don't know theory.
Why do we talk about Imperialist wars when we already have the inefficiency of Capitalism to point to? Because humans are moral creatures who base their actions on narratives.
Powerful people in every single Western democracy fuck kids and funnel kids to be fucked to their friends. It's an insanely fucked up thing and it motivates people to end the system that allows it.
Imperialism is integral to capitalism and must be discussed when talking about capitalism, and talking about imperialist wars doesn't overshadow the critique of capitalism. When it does, when people's whole ideology is anti-imperialism with very little beyond it, they are criticized for it.
Also, it doesn't motivate anyone to end any system, that's why the whole thing can be embraced equally by both the left and the right. Q heads can perfectly square a belief that the ruling class are pedophiles with capitalism and religious fundamentalism. Everyone from neo-nazis to communists can embrace it, it has no essential anti-capitalist characteristics. No ones gonna try to end any system just because they say the ruling class are all pedophiles.
Ok, that's why you combine it with class analysis, just as with imperialist wars. Anyone can oppose wars, what matters is your analysis.
yeah thats sorta the point I was trying to make. idk if it got muddled and just became "I hate talking about pedophilia," but yeah thats what I was trying to say