‘Breeding programs’ isn’t exactly a generous reading of ‘it’s ok to have children, folks; people won’t hate you, or I won’t, and you might actually just create more leftists’.
There are always exceptions, but as socialists it’s important to look at the evidence. And the evidence shows that political beliefs are highly heritable. It’s just how people are.
Kamala and Pete are in the dem party. They’re on the left side of shitty american politics, because their parents were left. And they’re extremely invovled in politics, likely because their family are marxists.
These trends aren’t definitive, they don’t set people’s lives in stone. But the beliefs one’s parents hold are extremely influential on their children, and I think it’s kinda silly to pretend otherwise. It’s just what the science says
Okay, look, yes it's possible to say that's an unfair reading. But from my perspective whenever we lean hard into the ideas children are legacy and we win at life by having more of them... We end up at breeding programs and cults that control children. Because that's what implementing natalism for those reasons looks like. If that's the goal you want to optimise for, and not humans should have kids because it's human and we love kids, you will get bad outcomes.
God ew that sounds horrible. In my experience with Indigenous peoples, chilren are super important, and considered the future and taken seriously as individuals. And also, everyone is a part of the community/family but... it’s not breeding programs haha that’s not why we’re still here, 2 million years later. What I mean to say is that I agree with you, totally, people should just have kids if they want to do that part of the human experience, and for no other reason.
I get what you’re saying, because I made the unfair comparison between antinatalists and the Quiverfull movement. I didn’ mean to say we should have as many kids as we can, like ‘you need to do your part’ old-school communist propaganda about having more kids haha no way. And I totally understand getting weirded out by that. Like, Quebec did that shit and it was suuuuper gross.
I just mean to say that we shouldn’t make ‘not having kids’ an important part of the leftist program, because that’s a recipe to lose against CHUDs who actually do do that cult shit, and have been for decades. Like I’m not saying we try to outbreed them hahaha I’m just saying... don’t give up. We’ll make it through, and having children is actually kind of an important part of that
I deal with a lot of rad-lib antinatalists who don’t want to give up capitalism, they just want to be vegan and fly less and it’s like... no, antinatalism is not important, and counter-productive imo. I have a lot of pent-up feelings about the whole thing haha imagine telling people... not to have kids, it’s kinda messed up imo
Prolly much for the same reason one would get disgusted if I went around trying to convince people to have kids hahaha. Just, do it if you want it, like we always have
And yet Kamala and Pete are related to Marxist academics. Everyone in this sub is likely to be far lefter than their parents.
We radicalise people through theory and education and popular movements that change their material conditions. We don't rely on breeding programs.
‘Breeding programs’ isn’t exactly a generous reading of ‘it’s ok to have children, folks; people won’t hate you, or I won’t, and you might actually just create more leftists’.
There are always exceptions, but as socialists it’s important to look at the evidence. And the evidence shows that political beliefs are highly heritable. It’s just how people are.
Kamala and Pete are in the dem party. They’re on the left side of shitty american politics, because their parents were left. And they’re extremely invovled in politics, likely because their family are marxists.
These trends aren’t definitive, they don’t set people’s lives in stone. But the beliefs one’s parents hold are extremely influential on their children, and I think it’s kinda silly to pretend otherwise. It’s just what the science says
Okay, look, yes it's possible to say that's an unfair reading. But from my perspective whenever we lean hard into the ideas children are legacy and we win at life by having more of them... We end up at breeding programs and cults that control children. Because that's what implementing natalism for those reasons looks like. If that's the goal you want to optimise for, and not humans should have kids because it's human and we love kids, you will get bad outcomes.
God ew that sounds horrible. In my experience with Indigenous peoples, chilren are super important, and considered the future and taken seriously as individuals. And also, everyone is a part of the community/family but... it’s not breeding programs haha that’s not why we’re still here, 2 million years later. What I mean to say is that I agree with you, totally, people should just have kids if they want to do that part of the human experience, and for no other reason.
I get what you’re saying, because I made the unfair comparison between antinatalists and the Quiverfull movement. I didn’ mean to say we should have as many kids as we can, like ‘you need to do your part’ old-school communist propaganda about having more kids haha no way. And I totally understand getting weirded out by that. Like, Quebec did that shit and it was suuuuper gross.
I just mean to say that we shouldn’t make ‘not having kids’ an important part of the leftist program, because that’s a recipe to lose against CHUDs who actually do do that cult shit, and have been for decades. Like I’m not saying we try to outbreed them hahaha I’m just saying... don’t give up. We’ll make it through, and having children is actually kind of an important part of that
I deal with a lot of rad-lib antinatalists who don’t want to give up capitalism, they just want to be vegan and fly less and it’s like... no, antinatalism is not important, and counter-productive imo. I have a lot of pent-up feelings about the whole thing haha imagine telling people... not to have kids, it’s kinda messed up imo
Prolly much for the same reason one would get disgusted if I went around trying to convince people to have kids hahaha. Just, do it if you want it, like we always have