• tredolinso [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    It is when you aren't even criticizing her actual opinions and refuse to look at what they are

    • wantonviolins [they/them]M
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      3 years ago

      That’s because I’m not criticizing her actual opinions, I’m criticizing the use of trans issues as a prop which is a completely separate and unrelated thing. I don’t need to engage with her opinions here because there is no possible opinion that could justify this.

        • wantonviolins [they/them]M
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          3 years ago

          If you think I have ever listened to a podcast or that the actions of other podcasters constitute a legitimate metric for what is and is not acceptable, you’ve got another thing coming.

          The public is wrong. Framing trans issues as a question instead of a fact, even rhetorically, is wrong. There isn’t room for debate here.

        • mr_world [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          You don't have to ask the question the public is already asking. They're asking it. You can just state your opinion. "Dave Chappelle is wrong about trans issues, listen to this episode to find out why." Or if you still want to do the lazy ass clickbait journalism 101 shtick you can say "Is Dave Chappelle funny anymore?" then go into your pro-trans points.

          The idea that you have to bait people into listening to your argument comes from media. The practices of media are built based on it being a for-profit model that thrives on engagement. They feel they have to trick people into clicking on stuff because it's how they make money, not because it actually creates real interest in the subject. I guess the fantasy is that chuds will read that tweet and think "wow, I don't know if he's right, I guess I need to listen" then listen to 40 mins of a podcast to come to a rational conclusion based on debate and discussion. But that doesn't happen. Instead they'll listen up until the point Brie says she's pro-trans and then turn it off. But she would then at least have a click/download/stream count of +1.

          Yes, other media people do it too because they're all media-brained. And since media doesn't exist in the us outside of the prevailing capitalist mode, it's all tainted. Leftist podcasts of any kind, I don't care how leftist they are or how much you like them, are not actually leftist. They're just another brand. I don't give a hoot about Citations Needed. I'm sure they're media-brained too. It doesn't make Brie's methods any more valid.

          There is no actual leftist media in the US. It just doesn't exist. Your friend's 'zine doesn't count. Media alternatives can only exist as yet another component of the capitalist system.

          • innocentlurker [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I just wanted to thank you for articulating your insight here.

            I saw this video recommended on YT in my recommended feed and I was shocked. I had already unsubscribed from Bad Faith just because I had a bad feeling about the direction it was going, but this vid title just rang like a bell in my mind and my instincts said to click the "do not recommend this channel" link and so I did not quite understanding why I felt so strongly I had to do so.

            Your comment connected my correct instinct with articulated thought and I was enlightened. Thank you very much.