• NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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    3 years ago

    Why should any man, woman, or child suffer for food, clothing, or shelter? Why? The question cannot be answered. Don't tell me that some men are too lazy to work. Suppose they are too lazy to work, what do you think of a social system that produces men too lazy to work? if a man is too lazy to work, don't treat him with contempt. Don't treat him with scorn as if you were a superior being. If there is a man who is too lazy to work, there is something the matter with him. He wasn't born right or he was perverted in this system. You could not, if you tried, keep a normal man inactive, and if you did he would go stark mad.

    People aren't anti-work because they're lazy and don't want to contribute. In fact, I'd argue most anti-work people want desperately to contribute to society, but they are forced into miserable roles that chew them up and spit them out, or they end up doing "bullshit jobs" in order to get a steady paycheck and reasonable benefits and paid time off.

    If OP is so alarmed at people not wanting to work, he should be asking what's wrong with work.

    • Ithorian [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      In fact, I’d argue most anti-work people want desperately to contribute to society,

      How many great artist, inventors, environmental activist, ect has society lost out on because people were to busy trying to survive too actually contribute.

      • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        trying to survive

        This is what drives me fucking insane, with all the wealth and technology we have today

        why the fuck do I need to survive like I'm some fucking caveman?

        Yes everyone should work and contribute to society, but there is NO fucking reason why every single person shouldn't have their baseline needs met with the amount of food, clothing, etc. we produce EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY

        there's so much fucking clothes they throw that shit away! there's landfills full of the shit in Ghana!!!

        There's so much fucking food we throw tons of it out at every place I've ever worked!

        What the FUCK!

        its such a blatantly irrational way to organize society. Can someone explain to me WHY we can't have everyone be fed and housed from a centrist/right wing angle?

        I'm not asking for 1950's American settler lifestyle for all

        Like literally you should be able to have a job, any FUCKING job, doing literally ANYTHING contributing to society and not have to worry about starving. You won't be some pampered glutton, but you shouldn't fucking die.

        • Tapirs10 [undecided,she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Everyone at the very least should be able to not starve or freeze to death on the streets. We have resources for this. It is a moral failing of society that needs are not provided

        • Ithorian [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          I honestly think it's on purpose. As long as the population is too busy trying to survive they don't have the time or energy to fight against the oppression that's keeping them impoverished.

          • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            have the time or energy to fight against the oppression that’s keeping them impoverished

            having been completely dispossesed, at some point all they'll have left is dismantling oppression with lethargy and emeciated frames :thinking-about-it:

        • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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          3 years ago

          Can someone explain to me WHY we can’t have everyone be fed and housed from a centrist/right wing angle?

          Turn on the news right now, they're telling you why for free. The reason is "if people have their basic needs met, no one will want to do crappy jobs that we need like burger flipper, truck driver, shelf stocker, etc." They literally feel entitled to you laboring under whatever conditions work best for them, and they will torture you to get it done if you won't sign up voluntarily.

      • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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        3 years ago

        Eugene Debs "Open Letter to the Members of the Socialist Party, May 17, 1908" also known as the "Yes, I Am My Brother's Keeper" speech.