Oh yes it is. You and I both know this site is mostly white Western dudes and they were falling all over themselves to say that akshually veganism is intolerant of indigenous people because one (one) indigenous comrade equated indigenous identity with killing and consuming animals. They avoided self-crit this way.
I remember the indigenous comrades who rejected the claim that being authentically indigenous implied killing and eating animals getting banned, as well. Those Hexbears didn't fall over themselves to defend those comrades, did they? It's just a pretext for avoiding self-crit because these libs are fragile.
People were demanding ppl stop being racist towards indigenous folx on the site. Then the mods banned a bunch of people asking for that .
Literally indigenous comrades were banned for rejecting their identity being equated with omnivory and most of the outcry was people avoiding self-crit by equating veganism with anti-indigenousness.
The vegans felt more powerful, continued to be racist and then mods banned them too. Then came up with some lane ass non-apology and ever since if you bring up the subject you have a high likelihood of getting banned because most of the sitemods are white vegans who hide behind “well there’s indigenous vegans, so all indigenous ppl can and should be vegan. And it’s actually reverse racism for you to stick up for them not being told by whites what they should and should not eat.”
Pretty sure you're also just avoiding self-crit by telling these stories rather than acknowledging what actually happened.
It’s not that veganism as a theory or practice is racist towards indigenous people. It’s that people on this site we’re being racist and their racism was promoted by mods.
That was indeed exactly what nearly everyone I challenged with vegan talking points responded with, yes. Regardless of relevance, they turned to their idea of veganism = anti-indigenous to avoid very basic self-crit. Just like you did, as well. I point out the dominant driving narrative and behaviors during that period and you turn to the excuse that justified the rejection of vegan comrades, the banning of indigenous vegan comrades, and the quarantining of c/vegan. I was, you know, actually heavily involved at the time. I know exactly what happened.
It wasn’t one. That’s just a lie.
You're having trouble being honest. Please correct this, comrade. There was one indigenous comrade stoking the idea that being indigenous requires eating meat, that's the person who received problematic dismissals, that's the person whose identity was used as a shield to avoid self-crit. Other indigenous comrades spoke up in support of or against various aspects of this conflict, but there was one pushing this idea and one whose experience was being simplified down to their identity and used by white cis dudes to avoid questioning their habits of consuming animals.
It has nothing to do with being “authentic.”
The indigenous comrade I'm referring to disagreed with this statement. Utterly.
Certain tribes and communities have customs and traditions and don’t need to be told by whites or anyone outside their community what’s morally or ethically acceptable while they try to escape from an ongoing genocide.
I'm not going to relitigate this as it's not relevant to accurately summarizing this community's handling of sassy vegans - as well as its banning of normal-ass vegan indigenous comrades.
And just shouting self-crit at the mountain ain’t gonna change the reality of what happened.
There's no mountain. It's still just normative comrades confirming their biases.
What I said was an accurate summary of why this site can't onboard subreddits: its members can't actually do self-crit in real time and its struggle sessions turn into ban sessions of people trying to talk about something.
Incredibly bad faith response to what I said.
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Oh yes it is. You and I both know this site is mostly white Western dudes and they were falling all over themselves to say that akshually veganism is intolerant of indigenous people because one (one) indigenous comrade equated indigenous identity with killing and consuming animals. They avoided self-crit this way.
I remember the indigenous comrades who rejected the claim that being authentically indigenous implied killing and eating animals getting banned, as well. Those Hexbears didn't fall over themselves to defend those comrades, did they? It's just a pretext for avoiding self-crit because these libs are fragile.
Literally indigenous comrades were banned for rejecting their identity being equated with omnivory and most of the outcry was people avoiding self-crit by equating veganism with anti-indigenousness.
Pretty sure you're also just avoiding self-crit by telling these stories rather than acknowledging what actually happened.
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That was indeed exactly what nearly everyone I challenged with vegan talking points responded with, yes. Regardless of relevance, they turned to their idea of veganism = anti-indigenous to avoid very basic self-crit. Just like you did, as well. I point out the dominant driving narrative and behaviors during that period and you turn to the excuse that justified the rejection of vegan comrades, the banning of indigenous vegan comrades, and the quarantining of c/vegan. I was, you know, actually heavily involved at the time. I know exactly what happened.
You're having trouble being honest. Please correct this, comrade. There was one indigenous comrade stoking the idea that being indigenous requires eating meat, that's the person who received problematic dismissals, that's the person whose identity was used as a shield to avoid self-crit. Other indigenous comrades spoke up in support of or against various aspects of this conflict, but there was one pushing this idea and one whose experience was being simplified down to their identity and used by white cis dudes to avoid questioning their habits of consuming animals.
The indigenous comrade I'm referring to disagreed with this statement. Utterly.
I'm not going to relitigate this as it's not relevant to accurately summarizing this community's handling of sassy vegans - as well as its banning of normal-ass vegan indigenous comrades.
There's no mountain. It's still just normative comrades confirming their biases.
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Based mods.
What you said was already in incredibly bad faith.
What I said was an accurate summary of why this site can't onboard subreddits: its members can't actually do self-crit in real time and its struggle sessions turn into ban sessions of people trying to talk about something.
It's also exactly what happened.
K.