...yeah, but also be careful about mass migrations from shut down subreddits. That hasn't gone all that smoothly, historically speaking, and there's a load of libs involved in this one.
The value of that sub, IMO, is the fact that it's huge and on :reddit-logo: anyway. Transplanting it here doesn't preserve its utility in terms of helping promote class-consciousness.
Yeah, that was how I interpreted it. Didn't mean to imply you were advocating for it to be a pipeline, sorry. I just wanted to point that out because people always talk about "pipelining" so much, and I really don't think it's a good fit for here at all.
Hey it's g sorry I read your comment in a bad light when it wasn't necessary. I'm extremely manic today and it's not doing me any favors.
We gotta give their mods the tools they need to get their own Lemmy/hexbear instance up and running. We can help out and do some praxis without pointing an 800k user firehose at hexbear.net.
Yeah, there are quite a few sometimes, especially if you count the lurkers (some of the vote patterns on here can be... weird). It's not nearly as many as any large :reddit-logo: community, though.
Plus superstonk cultists, though we have some of those here already
lmao :to-the-moon:
I kinda want to work with a kid that'll run up to random husbands out with their wives and shout "DADDY!" just to see their spouse's reaction
admins didnt make it any better by making c/stonks or whatever its called. containment boards dont work
That’s not what happened.
Oh yes it is. You and I both know this site is mostly white Western dudes and they were falling all over themselves to say that akshually veganism is intolerant of indigenous people because one (one) indigenous comrade equated indigenous identity with killing and consuming animals. They avoided self-crit this way.
I remember the indigenous comrades who rejected the claim that being authentically indigenous implied killing and eating animals getting banned, as well. Those Hexbears didn't fall over themselves to defend those comrades, did they? It's just a pretext for avoiding self-crit because these libs are fragile.
People were demanding ppl stop being racist towards indigenous folx on the site. Then the mods banned a bunch of people asking for that .
Literally indigenous comrades were banned for rejecting their identity being equated with omnivory and most of the outcry was people avoiding self-crit by equating veganism with anti-indigenousness.
The vegans felt more powerful, continued to be racist and then mods banned them too. Then came up with some lane ass non-apology and ever since if you bring up the subject you have a high likelihood of getting banned because most of the sitemods are white vegans who hide behind “well there’s indigenous vegans, so all indigenous ppl can and should be vegan. And it’s actually reverse racism for you to stick up for them not being told by whites what they should and should not eat.”
Pretty sure you're also just avoiding self-crit by telling these stories rather than acknowledging what actually happened.
It’s not that veganism as a theory or practice is racist towards indigenous people. It’s that people on this site we’re being racist and their racism was promoted by mods.
That was indeed exactly what nearly everyone I challenged with vegan talking points responded with, yes. Regardless of relevance, they turned to their idea of veganism = anti-indigenous to avoid very basic self-crit. Just like you did, as well. I point out the dominant driving narrative and behaviors during that period and you turn to the excuse that justified the rejection of vegan comrades, the banning of indigenous vegan comrades, and the quarantining of c/vegan. I was, you know, actually heavily involved at the time. I know exactly what happened.
It wasn’t one. That’s just a lie.
You're having trouble being honest. Please correct this, comrade. There was one indigenous comrade stoking the idea that being indigenous requires eating meat, that's the person who received problematic dismissals, that's the person whose identity was used as a shield to avoid self-crit. Other indigenous comrades spoke up in support of or against various aspects of this conflict, but there was one pushing this idea and one whose experience was being simplified down to their identity and used by white cis dudes to avoid questioning their habits of consuming animals.
It has nothing to do with being “authentic.”
The indigenous comrade I'm referring to disagreed with this statement. Utterly.
Certain tribes and communities have customs and traditions and don’t need to be told by whites or anyone outside their community what’s morally or ethically acceptable while they try to escape from an ongoing genocide.
I'm not going to relitigate this as it's not relevant to accurately summarizing this community's handling of sassy vegans - as well as its banning of normal-ass vegan indigenous comrades.
And just shouting self-crit at the mountain ain’t gonna change the reality of what happened.
There's no mountain. It's still just normative comrades confirming their biases.
What I said was an accurate summary of why this site can't onboard subreddits: its members can't actually do self-crit in real time and its struggle sessions turn into ban sessions of people trying to talk about something.
It's also exactly what happened.
it should either adapt to that (i.e. not try to pretend it can handle newcomers’ criticism)
I vote for this one.
I'm against encouraging a mass migration, but for getting in contact with their mods to get us listed as an "allied website" to get any interested folks to pop by.
I mean sure if this mass migration did happen it'd probably be a lot less bloody than other ones since it'd just be a back and forth of the old chapo days where the socialists would bully the radlibs to read theory or get dunked on. But I don't think a lot of us have that kind of time or energy to deal with that.
Yes, r/antiwork people are one of the few people on reddit that don't totally suck. We need to start making some anti-work memes with our watermark and post them there.
I don't know a whole lot about "antiwork" but just the name sounds super radlib
EDIT: I have looked at the subreddit and it's actually pretty cool
Yeah, r/cth sucked pretty often tbh. People get rose-colored glasses, but that place could be full of liberals.
Like @LeninWeave , that dirty shitlib. I wonder what they're doing nowadays since Chapo got the axe.
yeah and I was one lmao but in cth's defense it was a pretty neat and funny space that got me to stay engaged with learning about socialism
May the first hexbear user free of liberalism cast the first stone.
may the first hexbear user free of liberalism cast the first milkshake
:milkshake:
The antiwork sub has 800k users, that's 5 times the peak size of the chapo sub. Most people there are libs and will not handle seeing people like Stalin and Mao talked about here. I think it would need to be more targeted at people who are left leaning in the sub rather than the average lib there. Other option would be to make a meme with a hexbear watermark and see if anything good comes of it. Probably warn the mods first though because while wreckers are fun and unites this website against them, there's also a chance we could get an absolute shit ton of them.
I don't mean this as a criticism of the site as it is right now, but I don't think Hexbear in its current form is really a good fit for pretty much any reddit community. The tolerated discourse here is more limited than these kind of organically growing vaguely leftist subreddits, and people who join up tend to just react with annoyance at the different vibe here.
The tolerated discourse here is more limited
:07: to our authoritarian mods :ban-hammer:
Slowly encouraging people to come over (watermarks or just name-dropping hexbear in the comments) would be a lot more effective than waiting for the subreddit to get banned and offering a life raft. It'd also grow our ability to handle an eventual life raft scenario.
This site needs to develop an actual onboarding pipeline if it's going to be a life raft for subreddits.
Subreddits are going to include a bunch of people set in a different posting culture that don't already conform to this one. We shouldn't simply drop our standards, but we should provide them a dedicated community that's a bit more lax or uses a light touch at first - we want to absorb and radicalize potential allies, otherwise there's no point in the life raft.
That said, of course no tolerance for transphobia, racism, and anything else that attacks the people here for who they are - that's a given.
I am anti-capitalist, but I am moreso anti-authoritarian.
:negative:
I am against causes, but I am moreso against effects. :galaxy-brain:
Note: this is a shitpost, please no one reply with dissections of it.
Yo late, I sent it to the local leftist reading group, they will disect it thoroughly
This is a very anti-tankie sub, thankfully
Cars don't hit the right people.
Social democratic welfare state is the ideal system I believe
I found the least worst comment in there :visible-disgust:
You can tell there are various types trying to pull people from there, SocDems and maybe one masked fascist, at least.
It's a good sub but IMO without more people agitating there, it's gonna fall apart. This post for example has major "let's not make this political" vibes. But regarding your point I just can't see how this site could handle being a lifeboat for such a huge sub. No harm in mentioning it in passing though I guess.
This post for example has major “let’s not make this political” vibes.
The post, yes, the comments absolutely not.
send them to !shrekland@hexbear.net they'd love Shitbird's iconic Dave saga
We could not handle the deluge of liberalism that would come pouring down on our heads. Worse, some wreckers could really get going if they had a flood to hide in. Mods would be busy, something that's wrong but looks right if you don't read it enough (like some hidden uncritical race theory or gender hysteria) could worm its way in while mods are getting rid of anti-tankie posters and "how can you support see see pee" like doomguy. We can try to pull some in, maybe through scouting them out and seeing who they try to bring with, but we can't just absorb even an eight of their population.
