'the green new deal' is this ecological and social panacea to left libs in the UK and US. it completely fails to address one of the core contradictions of capitalism, this exponential growth and exponential production is in and of itself an anti ecological thing that will still destroy the environment regardless of how much you build solar arrays and electric cars. it's based off of the idealisation of the concessions won by workers without any material analysis of WHY there were workers movements that needed to be paid off with better conditions, and WHY we are in the mess we are in now with regards to the environment. like all utopian ideas to fix our current situation without any radical transformation or breakdown of the mode of production and consumption, it completely fails to see that those ARE the ultimate forces that brought about the current compounding crises; even as opportunism or 'the lesser evil' it is not lesser it is more of the same with a pat on the back for progress that vents the demands for ecological action and better lives and conditions for the working class.

what it is, is class colaborationism. the capitalists get huge demand for new 'green' products and projects to make massive sales on, and workers get new jobs with slightly better conditions and pay. the most ecological car is the one you already own, the logistics and production in making parts for new cars and the resource extraction for those cars is itself a bad thing, and should be limited; you cannot compare a car already in front of you to the hypothetical building of new greener cars en masse as being at the same level, the same is true of all 'green products' making new shit is worse than reusing what already exists for longer over the frivolity of throw away mass consumption. this is not radical, this is a venting of class consciousness that inherently is anti ecological and seeks to merely perpetuate the status quo of the decaying stages of late capitalism just to eke out a few more years of sales while beating down the real demands for actual change and solutions.

  • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    the simplest actual solution would be a cap of carbon emission per worker, want to emit more? give more people jobs and watch your profit go into the negative, want to buy stuff that emits a shit ton? it eats into your allowance as a worker so you're not useful as a pmc compared to actual working class. Now we do have the problem of the fucked upness of america so some tweaks would have to be made because of cars and the like, and it will never be done, but put that rule in place worldwide and you empower the poorest, while respecting the emission restrictions and finally keelhauling capitalists

    • Neu2 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      This is a horrible idea imo because it puts the responsibility on individuals and not on the giant corporate/states that are responsible for this. Also the rules of this carbon cap will be determined by the very same corrupt corporate states, who would no doubt use it to emisserate and oppress the masses.

      • Des [she/her, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        unlimited caps for the wealthy, tiny caps for the rest of us. enjoy 2 hours a day of electricity and no we won't provide you with mass transit.

        • Neu2 [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Exactly. This is 100% the kind of shit im worried libs and lefties are going to fully embrace if it is pitched to them as "doing their part". All the while the ruling class will be stacking money and consolidating power, while you can't leave yr apt cuz it will cost 5 demerits, like in Philip k dicks Ubik or something

        • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          yeah it should be equal, but it's still, at this point, the only way to *limit climate change, it can be collectivized, eg china, but strict emission caps will have to be put in place with no exception, which is usually the problem with organization cap since they got so much more power

      • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        it would give them leverage though, with the aim of empowering collective bargain, since companies would have to use workers' credits, the personal responsibility here is actually good since it forces all orgs into a fait accompli that they have no power over, and the fact that they'd be equal for everyone should lower the risks of corruption, but it's not gonna happen anyways

      • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        as i stated below, besides plannification (we can always dream but china's the only place where it's realistic), to do it at org levels in the west would only result in lobbying and exceptions for the companies that matter, while putting a cap per people working (not consuming mind you though it would factor into the cap per worker) would empower unions and put companies on the back foot