Unfortunately not too surprising considering China still naively supports the antiquated two-state solution (which will never work) and trades with both. China still does materially support Palestinians including provision of water desalination projects and solar power generation in Gaza, but then also does cringe shit like trading with Israel. Vietnam and Cuba also support the two-state solution sadly and even Maduro reportedly expressed a desire to reestablish relations with Israel back in 2017 (Chavez had cut off all diplomatic ties with Israel in 2009 and expelled the Israeli ambassador). Vietnam is also increasingly becoming a major trading partner with Israel unfortunately. Cuba, China, Vietnam, and Venezuela still do continually condemn Israel's actions against Palestinians though. The DPRK is really the only AES state left that I'm aware of that still has a great position on the Israel-Palestine conflict:
Israeli–North Korean relations are hostile.[1] North Korea does not recognise Israel, denouncing it as an "imperialist satellite".[2] Since 1988 it recognises the sovereignty of the State of Palestine over all of Israel, except for the occupied region of the Golan Heights, which is internationally recognised as part of Syria. Israel considers North Korea and its nuclear missile program as a major threat to global security. It has called for international action on the issue. At times, Israel has been the subject of fiery threats from North Korean state media.
most communist countries have taken a hands off approach to diplomacy to avoid notice i feel. also i feel like the position of being hands off is easy to defend to a wide swath of people tbh
the ussr used to do a lot of interventions and proactive diplomacy while also stating a billion reasons as to why (one example includes stalin reading out a list of reasons why they signed the molotov-ribbentrop pact) and i feel like the range of debate there might have weakened the party to be honest.
Gross and bad. The negative side of their whole policy of peaceful coexistence with everyone. Some shouldn't be coexisted with peacefully.
Edit: do not read the replies. No idea why I thought that would be productive.
This is the part of "doing trade and work and infastracture building with everyone" that gets to the bad parts of "everyone"
I mean they do business with us. Thing Is they got us by the fucking balls right now with this infrastructure choke out we're in rn.
Peaceful coexistence fucking sucks and is antithetical to socialism
Yeah, it's shit in many cases. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to industrialize and modernize a nation while fighting on many fronts. Hopefully they move beyond it in the coming years.
I agree with you that business shouldn't be done with Israel. My comment was about "peaceful coexistence" in general, not the particular case of Israel.
However, the USA is entirely still "currently conquering" BIPOC inside it.
Go ask the USSR how that viewpoint worked out for them.
“Getting nuked and conquered by the imperial core is good, actually.”
The USSR adopted "peaceful coexistence" as a matter of policy beginning with Kruschev, so what are you getting at? It didn't work for them
Not sure I'd say that cringe foreign policy is "usual". They have cringe moments like this a lot because of their policy of peacefully coexisting with everyone, but when people are referring to the "usual" cringe, it's generally the Sino-Soviet split garbage which was a long time ago.
They have plenty of good foreign policy moments too (vaccines, BRI). It's kind of nuance-less to say it's "usually cringe" nowadays, this isn't the 70s-80s anymore. But yeah, their peaceful relations with Israel are not good.
I think China's main foreign policy is "don't get invaded, cut off from the global economy, or nuked" and taking a strong, direct anti-Israel stance puts them resoundingly at risk for all three
China is not some medium sized country like iran, its the emergent superpower and the west is already giving them shit for the uyghur issue, they can afford to take a stance
They probably can afford it, yeah. They're often too cautious in their foreign policy in a way that doesn't quite match their domestic policies.
Chinese state-owned companies building trains
:sicko-flipped:
for Israel
:sicko-no:
But...but building the productive forces guys. You need to break a few indigenous people to make an omelet.
For real this is not surprising given China's cozy relationship with Duterte. And no I don't think "you gotta play ball" is a good enough justification for any of this. Mao was correct and the kneejerk to give excuses or "context" is exactly why Mao what Mao was saying we have to force ourselves to get past
