Me, an underpaid hourly worker who cannot attend company outings anymore because I was forced to move 3 hours away from the office due to the fact that they refuse to pay me more: Can we please buy Evernote if every piece of information about anything across our entire corporate platform is stored in some random notebook or note that inevitably gets lost or otherwise deleted like once every year when you fire the hourly employee who created the notebook & no one realizes?? I personally have like almost 1,000 individual notes in one notebook for stuff that I had to figure out on my own and I'd like to not see the "please buy" popup everytime I open it to reference something.
My higher paid boss: No But we can buy Guru, which is similar enough but completely lacks any personal features or notebooks, and to top it off - we'll have the coworker who recommended it to me steal all the notes you personally wrote for your own use/referencing and reupload them to Guru for EVERYONE to have.
I worked at a place that used the Teamwork app to manage projects. Pretty simple, useful to-do list.
I'd literally just go in there and see a list of tasks people requested of me, organized by what day I needed to have shit done. As they would add stuff, they could see if I had a lot of stuff already due. And you'd see all the shit you did, checked off. Actually pretty satisfying, felt a bit like a (boring) video game.
We switched to JIRA.
JIRA.
The boss was so fucking stoked about it. He thought we'd get really accurate work estimates out of it. And that's what it was designed around- not to help give important information to us, but for us to give information to management.
No personal to-do features. Just hunting through fucking bullshit to find out if you had to do anything. Hunting back through shit once you did it, filling all these fucking text fields, hunting every time for "project type" to also properly categorize what you did. Realizing you forgot something on a previous screen, and having to X out of the one you finally filled out, and having to add some fucking field and then re-enter everything all over again. And let me restate, when someone wanted something, you COULDNT TELL. It had a notification feed, but the feed was literally filled with notifications that somebody created a task for someone else, that they added a start date for someone else, an end date for someone else, added a type, added a description, added hours, added this and that. The widgets created by Jira to solve this problem couldn't even handle the volume of projects and would, for instance, pick a random 99 items to check out of however many you were allowed to see.
We went form spending 3 or 4 hours a week plugging shit into Teamwork and some other app, to spending NEARLY TWO ENTIRE DAYS A WEEK FUCKING WITH JIRA
They eventually asked us to LOG the TIME spent IN JIRA and 2 weeks later they actually completely gave up on Jira. We just completely stopped tracking our work.
Hunting back through shit once you did it, filling all these fucking text fields, hunting every time for "project type" to also properly categorize what you did. Realizing you forgot something on a previous screen, and having to X out of the one you finally filled out, and having to add some fucking field and then re-enter everything all over again. And let me restate, when someone wanted something, you COULDNT TELL. It had a notification feed, but the feed was literally filled with notifications that somebody created a task for someone else, that they added a start date for someone else, an end date for someone else, added a type, added a description, added hours, added this and that. The widgets created by Jira to solve this problem couldn't even handle the volume of projects and would, for instance, pick a random 99 items to check out of however many you were allowed to see.
We switched from JIRA to Azure like a year ago for ticketing and I actually miss it lmao. ADO is this but 100x worse in my experience.
They eventually asked us to LOG the TIME spent IN JIRA and 2 weeks later they actually completely gave up on Jira. We just completely stopped tracking our work.
They were planning a pivot to Salesforce where they'd do the exact same thing again you just didn't see the VISION
My company does use Jira for arranging tasks into my list and for me to finish them and log time on them, but it works well for me, so maybe they put in the effort to set it up better for me. IDK /shrug
Unfortunately the whole company is moving to Azure thingies and everything in Azure is SHIT it's actually SO DOGSHIT and missing all the features I rely on. If they ever put the Jira stuff in Azure I'll probably quit. Unfortunate cause the people there are nice. Thankfully Jira seems untouched for now. :yikes:
Probably the main downfall was the amount of task switching I had to do. I wasn't part of a specific team, but was instead split across 3 teams due to my technical skill. People would ask me to do little shit and answer little questions all throughout the day at random. Like 5 minutes, 15 minutes, etc. Most people seem to use Jira to log programming work and it's like 4 hours here 2 hours there. Spending 10 minutes clicking around isnt a problem for them
Review time - we don't see you doing all the extra work your co-workers do. Yes you do your job but because you don't we're going to mark you down on your reviews and say you have a bad attitude. Why you no enjoy?
Manager who sits in pointless meetings from 7am-3pm daily and collects their salary: You're an integral part of the team - thanks for everything you do, like write copy at the last minute for our new product when I frantically message you and the other competent underpaid people on your team on slack and ask who wants to 'help' me with a project. (literal thing that has happened to me - and no I was not even a part of the fucking marketing department)
Same manager but after you bring up the fact that they promoted someone who you literally trained when they were hired & still get asked questions weekly by, but you haven't seen any promotion or raise in 5 years: We had to promote them because they're taking on additional duties as part of the project they helped out with. You never seem to volunteer but I'd definitely recommend doing so, since that's the best way to move into a new position!!
Me, an underpaid hourly worker who cannot attend company outings anymore because I was forced to move 3 hours away from the office due to the fact that they refuse to pay me more:
Can we please buy Evernote if every piece of information about anything across our entire corporate platform is stored in some random notebook or note that inevitably gets lost or otherwise deleted like once every year when you fire the hourly employee who created the notebook & no one realizes?? I personally have like almost 1,000 individual notes in one notebook for stuff that I had to figure out on my own and I'd like to not see the "please buy" popup everytime I open it to reference something.
My higher paid boss: No
But we can buy Guru, which is similar enough but completely lacks any personal features or notebooks, and to top it off - we'll have the coworker who recommended it to me steal all the notes you personally wrote for your own use/referencing and reupload them to Guru for EVERYONE to have. 
I worked at a place that used the Teamwork app to manage projects. Pretty simple, useful to-do list.
I'd literally just go in there and see a list of tasks people requested of me, organized by what day I needed to have shit done. As they would add stuff, they could see if I had a lot of stuff already due. And you'd see all the shit you did, checked off. Actually pretty satisfying, felt a bit like a (boring) video game.
We switched to JIRA.
JIRA.
The boss was so fucking stoked about it. He thought we'd get really accurate work estimates out of it. And that's what it was designed around- not to help give important information to us, but for us to give information to management.
No personal to-do features. Just hunting through fucking bullshit to find out if you had to do anything. Hunting back through shit once you did it, filling all these fucking text fields, hunting every time for "project type" to also properly categorize what you did. Realizing you forgot something on a previous screen, and having to X out of the one you finally filled out, and having to add some fucking field and then re-enter everything all over again. And let me restate, when someone wanted something, you COULDNT TELL. It had a notification feed, but the feed was literally filled with notifications that somebody created a task for someone else, that they added a start date for someone else, an end date for someone else, added a type, added a description, added hours, added this and that. The widgets created by Jira to solve this problem couldn't even handle the volume of projects and would, for instance, pick a random 99 items to check out of however many you were allowed to see.
We went form spending 3 or 4 hours a week plugging shit into Teamwork and some other app, to spending NEARLY TWO ENTIRE DAYS A WEEK FUCKING WITH JIRA
They eventually asked us to LOG the TIME spent IN JIRA and 2 weeks later they actually completely gave up on Jira. We just completely stopped tracking our work.
They were planning a pivot to Salesforce where they'd do the exact same thing again you just didn't see the VISION
My company does use Jira for arranging tasks into my list and for me to finish them and log time on them, but it works well for me, so maybe they put in the effort to set it up better for me. IDK /shrug
Unfortunately the whole company is moving to Azure thingies and everything in Azure is SHIT it's actually SO DOGSHIT and missing all the features I rely on. If they ever put the Jira stuff in Azure I'll probably quit. Unfortunate cause the people there are nice. Thankfully Jira seems untouched for now. :yikes:
Probably the main downfall was the amount of task switching I had to do. I wasn't part of a specific team, but was instead split across 3 teams due to my technical skill. People would ask me to do little shit and answer little questions all throughout the day at random. Like 5 minutes, 15 minutes, etc. Most people seem to use Jira to log programming work and it's like 4 hours here 2 hours there. Spending 10 minutes clicking around isnt a problem for them
Yeah that sucks.
Review time - we don't see you doing all the extra work your
co-workers do. Yes you do your job but because you don't 
we're going to mark you down on your reviews and say you have a bad attitude. Why you no enjoy?
Manager who sits in pointless meetings from 7am-3pm daily and collects their salary: You're an integral part of the team - thanks for everything you do, like write copy at the last minute for our new product when I frantically message you and the other competent underpaid people on your team on slack and ask who wants to 'help' me with a project. (literal thing that has happened to me - and no I was not even a part of the fucking marketing department)
Same manager but after you bring up the fact that they promoted someone who you literally trained when they were hired & still get asked questions weekly by, but you haven't seen any promotion or raise in 5 years: We had to promote them because they're taking on additional duties as part of the project they helped out with. You never seem to volunteer but I'd definitely recommend doing so, since that's the best way to move into a new position!!
promotion based on who volunteers? But it's mostly idiots who volunteer to do stuff.
I see