If you've ever wondered why there's a dearth of radical older gay men, mostly in the range of 50+, it's at least in part because of that. Puritanical anti-sex assholes like Larry Kramer managed to survive for obvious reasons, and then got to revise history and sound like an unheard Cassandra, when the reality was that a lot of the damage had already been done by the time he started his own activism.

In my view, this led to a rightward shift in the activism of the gay community, which ended up hijacking a lot of the hard work that lesbian and trans activists had built up, and moved towards respectability rather than queer liberation.

All the more reason to say fuck Reagan for ignoring it for nearly a decade. Even Thatcher did something about it and that's saying something.

This isn't even my take, it's something that an AIDS activist in the late '80s said, that AIDS killed off the interesting gays. But thought it would be

  • l0l [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    While I agree with the general sentiment, Larry Kramer was HIV+ so that doesn't fully fit this idea that only the bores did not become HIV+. I guess you could make the point that the bores were more careful and hence stayed alive for longer.

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      He was poz, but his suggestion to prevent spread was to close all bathhouses and to stop fucking. He took an extremist, puritanical position that was not borne out by the data. But a lot of the folks who survived were either lucky, monogamous, conservatives, or closeted.

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        4 years ago

        your stance: covid anti-mask individualism except good actually

        god imagine a pandemic and all you gotta do to avoid it for the most part is just jerk off instead

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          DID YOU KNOW CONDOMS PREVENT HIV SEROCONVERSION?

          You stupid fuck.

          • societyoftherektacle [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            not completely, no

            and sure, include condom usage in the list of stuff not to do to get pozzed up

            seriously. imagine instead of "wear a mask" it was "don't fuck people raw in the ass" and somehow enough people decided "nah fuck that" that we got an r_n of like 4.0 or some shit