Let's say the US balkanizes, becomes decentralized and finally stateless. What to do with the nukes that were left over? Who controls them if there's no central power? Obviously, there should just be no nukes, but let's say other countries that are still states have them, so would it be prudent to denuclearize?

  • AlephNull [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    The USA and/or fractured territories disarming would be the single biggest thing they could do to promote peace and stability on a global stage

    • Yanqui_UXO [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Absolutely! But is that a realistic scenario? Whole countries denuclearized at the end of the cold war, but those were state decisions. The US has silos everywhere, so what if some want to denuclearize, others don't? I'm trying to think of this sort of very pragmatically, not how things should be, but what kinds of scenarios are likely.

      • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Whole countries denuclearized at the end of the cold war

        It's most lilely that Moscow pulled the nukes out before these countries became independent. I doubt that the Ukraine or w/e would have denuclearized if they'd have had any nukes left after gaining independence.

      • AlephNull [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah I've no idea there, speculative history isn't my forte lol.

        Ive also no idea how to safely/responsibly deal with fissile material, let alone picture how we get to an anarchic society from here.

        What conditions need to be met for the present USA to lose control/possession of their nukes? Would they even relinquish that control?

          • AlephNull [she/her]
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            3 years ago

            Rerouting military expenditure into public infrastructure works, could you imagine?

        • Yanqui_UXO [any]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Yeah, it's probably not very realistic to even assume that there won't be the USA but there will still be the nukes. They'd probably rather detonate them before losing power.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Whole countries denuclearized at the end of the cold war

        And that was a huge mistake. Ukraine has already paid the price for disarming with the loss of key territory to an adjacent nuclear power, and it's allies left it out to dry.