https://twitter.com/poorlyhidden/status/1455520837658943488
There's a team I work with a lot that's entirely girls except for me.
Should I be using a kinda unnatural overly casual "Y'all" or keep addressing the group as "you guys"?
Yous? Yinz?
They sometimes use "you guys" or even "we guys"
honestly "you guys" addressed to a group doesn't even feel gendered to me
I feel the same way personally, I just wanted other opinions.
You comrades
You gays
You niversities
You cranes
You niyn of Soviet Socialist Republics
"you guys" isn't gendered, it's the plural second person in midwest english.
The yearly sexual harassment and racism training said not to use gendered terms and specifically had a slide saying not to use "you guys" with a list of alternatives.
Echoing that "you guys" doesn't feel gendered to me, though using "guy" or "guys" as a stand-in for one or multiple people who do my job is deeply irritating (especially since I work in a heavily male-dominated field.) Love when people look me in the eye knowing what I do and say shit like "yeah, I'd need a devops guy, a backend guy, and a hardware guy, but that's feasible" (where "guy" here means "engineer")
Y'all is the only acceptable way to say "you all" in casual conversation
"Yinz" is a meme. Nobody actually says this, it's just a dedicated group of online trolls trying to convince the world that this is a thing.
I've heard old people say you'ins before. I think I have anyway. Midwest thing maybe?
Y'all discourse is a good signifier of how much California and New York libs drive online conversation.
BullCityVA in the replies has it: y'all has utility as a gender-neutral replacement for "you guys."
People arguing that y'all is cringe or cultural appropriation: lol
People arguing that y'all is used condescendingly by libs: I think your objection is being condescended to, not the word choice. I guarantee you that the libs will always find a way to be condescending.
"Ya'll ain't goin' down to da baaaayouu?" - said by a white midwestern kid, son of a quarry executive, who has never left the state before
Sorry, he's a hundred percent correct. This country has spent so long systematically shitting on people who don't speak Standard American English that it does feel extremely gross to see some white as fuck Midwestern PMC dork saying y'all for clout
OP: "professional class"
You: "white as fuck Midwestern"
Here is a form of liberalism. The tweeter did it too.
I really, really hate this trend of people using y'all to act like they're your friend. It's not just bad parasocially, it's just frustrating because my friends do not talk that way. my branch of english is you guys for informal plural, you all or everyone for formal plural, and often just some shared group signifier for either(such as scouts when I was in boy scouts or cosplayers at conventions). It's just some hello fellow kids material that makes me uncomfortable. No problem with the organic use of the word, but the artificial forced one is just bad.
No problem with the organic use of the word, but the artificial forced one is just bad.
How do you discern the difference?
I'm obviously not right online when it seems right or wrong 100% of the time, but in person when someone from the same area as me with a similar background just drops it for emphasis but otherwise does not use it just clangs. Or when people use it in direct address, which does not sound right to me and I don't see offline.
Sticking it right at the beginning of a sentence like, "Y'all, we need to talk about how the Muppet Babies was problematic" is a dead give away
Idk, I've never met a white person who uses y'all in person, tho I've never lived in the deep south but still. It feels like appropriation to me when I see some :maybe-later-kiddo: lib on Twitter using it in some condescending manner.
I’ve never met a white person who uses y’all in person, tho I’ve never lived in the deep south but still.
"But still" what? This is a you thing. You even acknowledge that! What else remains?
Well I meant that Southern white people get a pass but if you have lived in Chicago or Minneapolis or somewhere white people don't normally use y'all it feels weird to me.
Idk. Yeah I guess it is a me thing. I'm not condemning anyone for it, it just bugs me lol
I’ve been found out. I’ve been living in the south my entire life solely to give myself cover while I culturally appropriate the word y’all
log off and just talk to people. fuck twitter libs - this is the most pointless struggle session that exists nowhere but in the deep bowels of hell. offline, no one blinks if you use y'all appropriately.
finally, an issue that directly effects twitter users
Y'all as a formal appellation at the beginning of a statement is usually bad. But saying shit like, "how y'all doing?" or, "there's some wild shit happening on the beach if y'all wanna come check it out." are normal, cool things to say.
Lived in the south too long to stop. You can’t make me say you guys and I’ll go down fighting before I say yinz
