I'm not trying to start a struggle session by why vegan? Why not vegetarianism? I understand the moral standpoint of minimizing suffering for animals but veganism is just an impossible standard for the entire world to adopt and will always lead to an exclusive class of people whereas there's billions of vegetarians living in the world today whose environmental imprint is just as low as that of vegans (I think).
EDIT: Ok not just as low. And I do admit the suffering required for dairy is not ideal but at least it's not mass slaughter of animals. I just think the material reality of many poor people in the world doesn't really make veganism 100% feasible (I'm no expert so please let me know if I'm wrong) whereas vegetarianism is something the entire world can move towards.
Universal veganism is extremely possible. It's only impossible in the same sense that communism is impossible, ie, it's only impossible because people believe it is.
Addressing your edit: vegan food is cheaper than meat. Poor people all over the world eat vegan because they have to.
That's fair. Do you know what the emissions look like for dairy vs beef cattle? Or is it the same? I ask because peasant farmers in many places (I'm thinking India mostly) use cattle for dairy and compost.
What about places like India where Cows are raised by small farmers for dairy products and compost? I'm not trying to debatebro, I just had India as an example in mind because more than half of their population is vegetarian.
What about people who can't eat rice and beans? Not saying this to be combative, I want to make better choices but I also can't eat a high carb diet without my diabetes coming out of remission. Rice is especially awful for me and gives me terrible blood sugar crashes.
I know some cultures lean heavy into fermentation and I have no trouble with fermented veggies. Would that be a potential solution?
You don’t understand. You’re supposed to fully invest yourself in a lifestyle and then act as if that lifestyle is the default and is totally normal to you. Vegans are awful at that second part. Their marketing department must be in shambles
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Seriously.
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I'm not trying to start a struggle session by why vegan? Why not vegetarianism? I understand the moral standpoint of minimizing suffering for animals but veganism is just an impossible standard for the entire world to adopt and will always lead to an exclusive class of people whereas there's billions of vegetarians living in the world today whose environmental imprint is just as low as that of vegans (I think).
EDIT: Ok not just as low. And I do admit the suffering required for dairy is not ideal but at least it's not mass slaughter of animals. I just think the material reality of many poor people in the world doesn't really make veganism 100% feasible (I'm no expert so please let me know if I'm wrong) whereas vegetarianism is something the entire world can move towards.
Universal veganism is extremely possible. It's only impossible in the same sense that communism is impossible, ie, it's only impossible because people believe it is.
Addressing your edit: vegan food is cheaper than meat. Poor people all over the world eat vegan because they have to.
I should note I'm not vegan (yet)
I'm speaking more about veganism vs vegetarianism.
Cattle farming produces more greenhouse gas emissions than shipping and aviation combined.
That's fair. Do you know what the emissions look like for dairy vs beef cattle? Or is it the same? I ask because peasant farmers in many places (I'm thinking India mostly) use cattle for dairy and compost.
idk honestly I was hoping I’d somehow find an answer to this question over the past few days but nope
anyway I imagine they’re pretty similar in factory farms with grain-fed cattle, and would probably diverge heavily for grazing cattle
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What about places like India where Cows are raised by small farmers for dairy products and compost? I'm not trying to debatebro, I just had India as an example in mind because more than half of their population is vegetarian.
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What about people who can't eat rice and beans? Not saying this to be combative, I want to make better choices but I also can't eat a high carb diet without my diabetes coming out of remission. Rice is especially awful for me and gives me terrible blood sugar crashes.
I know some cultures lean heavy into fermentation and I have no trouble with fermented veggies. Would that be a potential solution?
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You don’t understand. You’re supposed to fully invest yourself in a lifestyle and then act as if that lifestyle is the default and is totally normal to you. Vegans are awful at that second part. Their marketing department must be in shambles