Yea, but it wasn’t patriotic, not at first. Patriotism is invention of nation states, lol, when did it appear you think? It has obvious trappings and goals, and I cannot conceive why it’s desirable state of affairs for socialist.
Obviously, when it was understood that germany isn’t coming to the fold (and ussr was doomed from then tbh), they’ve pivoted through stalin into in-one-country formula. But it is that - pivot and deviation dictated by the nature of struggle, class antagonism and foreign enemies. It isn’t in itself good or desirable, it’s something that was imposed upon fledging Soviet Union. And again, if you trace art and culture of ussr, which was fairly bound to party you can see it reorienting in 35-39 very rapidly into embracing not revolutionary struggles, but past great man of russia.
No, it was socialist patriotism, which is an invention of socialist countries. It appeared before USSR, but only found practical application for the first time in USSR, as AES first took root there. Socialists are patriots in every AES context
East Germany did come into the fold, and it was patriotic throughout out the Cold War period. "Socialism in one country" didn't mean in ONLY one country, just one country at a time, which is the natural progression. Love of one's community & family & friends and fellow workers cannot have any other term to describe it outside of socialist patriotism.
Yes, that’s fucking exactly why they were all forced/succumbed to it
East Germany came too late, as the hope was intercontinental block and help with development of productive forces in different places, instead of exploitation of peasants to rapidly industrialize in backward country.
Of course it can, it’s called love thy neighbor, lel. If you are redefining patriotism in your head to mean worker solidarity then congratulations, but that’s not patriotism.
Socialist patriotism isn't something I defined, it exists/existed in all AES countries, including ones who were formerly imperialistic or had slavery & indigenous removal like Cuba & East Germany and others
You just aren't looking at what exists, you're choosing abstraction and simple negation instead
" Cuban history schoolbooks spoke of the “martyrs”
who had died for “Patriotismo Socialista.” Mao Zedong also adopted a version
of his own.116 In whatever remains of a worldwide far-left Marxist movement,
the concept of socialist patriotism is still a current term. It can be found on left-
wing websites, and in the press releases of the North Korean news agency.1"
"All Central and Eastern European countries developed their own version of socialist
patriotism: in the DDR it was called sozialistischer patriotismus, in Romania patrio-
tismului revolutionar socialist, in Poland patriotyzmu socjalistznego, in Hungary
szocialista hazafisa ́g. Each party constructed its own variety, usually drawing exten-
sively on existing national traditions, including those on the political right."
Yes, and it was garbage idea everywhere. If you don’t transcend patriotism into international solidarity, sooner or later it will give brainworms to noticeable part of population. It’s very cool when socialist think that their countrymen not having TVs is bigger outrage then Africa not having electric lighting in lot of places
Of course there is, the negation of nation should abolish patriotism. Once again, where was patriotism before nation states among disposed masses?
Patriotism is already highest form of brain worms, where people might choose solidarity with the oppressor, cause they speak same language, it cannot become even more rabid.
Yea, but it wasn’t patriotic, not at first. Patriotism is invention of nation states, lol, when did it appear you think? It has obvious trappings and goals, and I cannot conceive why it’s desirable state of affairs for socialist.
Obviously, when it was understood that germany isn’t coming to the fold (and ussr was doomed from then tbh), they’ve pivoted through stalin into in-one-country formula. But it is that - pivot and deviation dictated by the nature of struggle, class antagonism and foreign enemies. It isn’t in itself good or desirable, it’s something that was imposed upon fledging Soviet Union. And again, if you trace art and culture of ussr, which was fairly bound to party you can see it reorienting in 35-39 very rapidly into embracing not revolutionary struggles, but past great man of russia.
No, it was socialist patriotism, which is an invention of socialist countries. It appeared before USSR, but only found practical application for the first time in USSR, as AES first took root there. Socialists are patriots in every AES context
East Germany did come into the fold, and it was patriotic throughout out the Cold War period. "Socialism in one country" didn't mean in ONLY one country, just one country at a time, which is the natural progression. Love of one's community & family & friends and fellow workers cannot have any other term to describe it outside of socialist patriotism.
Yes, that’s fucking exactly why they were all forced/succumbed to it
East Germany came too late, as the hope was intercontinental block and help with development of productive forces in different places, instead of exploitation of peasants to rapidly industrialize in backward country.
Of course it can, it’s called love thy neighbor, lel. If you are redefining patriotism in your head to mean worker solidarity then congratulations, but that’s not patriotism.
Socialist patriotism isn't something I defined, it exists/existed in all AES countries, including ones who were formerly imperialistic or had slavery & indigenous removal like Cuba & East Germany and others
Then we agree to disagree that such a thing exists :shrug-outta-hecks:
You just aren't looking at what exists, you're choosing abstraction and simple negation instead
" Cuban history schoolbooks spoke of the “martyrs” who had died for “Patriotismo Socialista.” Mao Zedong also adopted a version of his own.116 In whatever remains of a worldwide far-left Marxist movement, the concept of socialist patriotism is still a current term. It can be found on left- wing websites, and in the press releases of the North Korean news agency.1"
"All Central and Eastern European countries developed their own version of socialist patriotism: in the DDR it was called sozialistischer patriotismus, in Romania patrio- tismului revolutionar socialist, in Poland patriotyzmu socjalistznego, in Hungary szocialista hazafisa ́g. Each party constructed its own variety, usually drawing exten- sively on existing national traditions, including those on the political right."
Yes, and it was garbage idea everywhere. If you don’t transcend patriotism into international solidarity, sooner or later it will give brainworms to noticeable part of population. It’s very cool when socialist think that their countrymen not having TVs is bigger outrage then Africa not having electric lighting in lot of places
There is no "transcendence" without negation of negation
You can't just undialectically "abolish" what exists in this simplistic way
What exists must be driven to extreme & the higher form emerges from the "womb" of the old
African countries have patriotic socialism too
Of course there is, the negation of nation should abolish patriotism. Once again, where was patriotism before nation states among disposed masses?
Patriotism is already highest form of brain worms, where people might choose solidarity with the oppressor, cause they speak same language, it cannot become even more rabid.